New ABC promo

[phantomsangel]

New LOST promo from ABC.

Still has a ridiculous cage sex clip. :/ It doesn't even match up with what the voice over is saying.

Still features stupid Jackface destiny sound bite.

This one is a bit longer. But still doesn't match the Spanish promo! Get with it, ABC!

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Comments

[fancifull]

holy shit they are obsessed with the cage scene

[phantomsangel]

It's obviously men making these promos.

Or Skaters.

I still don't understand the boner the writers/producers seem to have for Kate.

[madeline_may]

She's exactly the vision that men have in their head of a "strong female character". The whole "OMG I CAN DO STUFF WITH THE BIG BOYS, BUT I AM ALSO SUPER HOT." But if you'll notice, just when things get heavy, she wimps out in one way or another - leaving room for the big! Strong! Men! to come swinging in and save the day.

And they'd never want her to be anything other than fapping material, hence the utter lack of character growth.

[lostsailors]

God, THIS. Kate falls into this category of people thinking they are making a strong female character. But it's more "strong female, character" instead of "strong character, female" - if that makes sense. She's bad ass and can pistol whip you, but there's absolutely no depth to her character and she spends an inordinate amount of time ping-ponging between men. In season 5 they TRIED to give her growth with Aaron, but to be honest, all her faults and flaws are exactly the same as they were in season 1. It's like she hasn't evolved at all.

[1300_hours]

Truer words were never spoken bb.

[oneloveunited]

There's plenty of depth to her character, what makes you think otherwise?

S2: "I'm probably crazy and this doesn't matter, but maybe you're in there somehow. But you asked me a question. You asked me why I -- why I did it. It wasn't because you drove my father away, or the way you looked at me, or because you beat her. It's because I hated that you were a part of me -- that I would never be good. That I would never have anything good. And every time that I look at Sawyer -- every time I feel something for him -- I see you, Wayne. It makes me sick."That's pretty heavy (and questionable) if you ask me, and if it had been Locke or Jack or Sawyer or even Dan saying it everyone would've been beside themselves with glee naming it the best monologue ever and praising him to no end

[lostsailors]

To me, Kate is just a type of character I've seen very, very often in screenwriting. Down to the questionable heavy/dark/abusive past. I guess, this is just my opinion, not fact- it's more cliche than depth. Everything about her is familiar to me, to the point of boredom. I usually know exactly what she will do before she does and I'd rather be surprised by characters. It doesn't mean I disregard her story because she's female and I don't like her. I also never said she was meaningless. I just meant, to me, she's not not the most interesting and I'm bored of this sort of character

[8abbott_of_odd0]

You already know I completely agree with this statement, but I'm gonna agree again, just for the sake of emphasis :)

Another thing I'm going to say again; DAMN IT WRITERS, please reference this particularly vital aspect of Kate's character a little more often, mmmkay

[oneloveunited]

Our previous discussion was my inspiration for this post :D I'd love to see a Kate character study

[8abbott_of_odd0]

After I rewatch season 2 I think I'll make a start on it

[lostsailors]

See, I totally agree with this! It's like Sun. Sun was a huge stereotype the first season, but they have worked and broken that down and made her her own person and a wonderful character. All the characters are archetypes who were undone, rebuilt and transmuted into something new. I just personally feel Kate, even now, isn't there yet for me. I don't even have katred, it was more just me expressing my disappointment they haven't taken her further. Again, people respond to different things in different characters. What's really not interesting to some, is what is most moving to others. I'm a huge Ben-stan who feels bad for him most of the time, so I understand what it is to go: "I think this is amazing, why don't you get it?" Haha. I just really don't want people to think I was exceptionally rude about their favourite characters when I didn't mean to be.

[8abbott_of_odd0]

I think the fact that Jin evolved beyond a stereotype was one of the things that helped Sun evolve beyond a stereotype. Sun is initially presented as the stereotypical submissive wife, but is then shown to rebel against her seemingly cruel and repressive husband, something that I personally thought to be very exciting character development. However, it is revealed that Jin is not simply an abusive husband, and that his relationship with Sun is not just one of oppressor/oppressed, rather it is shown they were very deeply in love, but their relationship suffered because of outside forces. Thus Sun's story became more complex and deep; it was still a story about breaking free of oppression but at the same time it was about the nuisances of power and love in human relationships. They don't give up on each other, despite how damaged their relationship is, instead they have to work to rediscover what they lost. I fell in love with Sun when she finally made the full transition between oppressed wife to independent badass in season 4, as she

[lostsailors]

YEY! This I completely agree with: "I guess I like the concept of Kate, but I'm not always that big on the execution

[8abbott_of_odd0]

I think I feel much the same way. Kate has a lot of potential to be a very interesting character but it isn't used right. In "What Kate Did" her step-dad Sam says that he didn't kill Wayne because he doesn't have murder in his heart, implicating that Kate does, and it must take some pretty dark thoughts and a steely mind to leave a man in a house and then blow it up in cold blood. However, in the series we only very rarely see evidence of her being in possession of these dark thoughts and steely mind, instead Kate comes across as being more of a vanilla heroine with conventional morals. In order for Ben to do what he does, he must have a pretty twisted psych and unconventional outlook on the world, and the way he's written reflects this perfectly; I personally think that's why he's so interesting a character. One of my major wishes in season 6 is to see the darker, more intense and kinda psycho Kate that's capable of remorselessly blowing people up, then I think the dissonance between her backstory and her character will be resolved

[lostsailors]

I know this entry is like from a thousand years ago at this point, but just YES YES YES. This comment makes me feel so much better, I just had to let you know.

I totally agree with everything here. I don't even really care which direction Kate's character is taken, I just wish they were more mindful of the arc, and it all makes sense to her character, backstory and plot trajectory AND they accept she doesn't have to be OOH!With Sawyer OOH!NvmwithJack to be interesting. Haha.

[8abbott_of_odd0]

Dude, I think I've left comments for a year and then gone back to answer them, lol, but that's how I roll.

We all know Kate should totes end up with Roger after all. I would like to see Kate confront herself honestly, and be able to see Jack and Sawyer for who they are rather than an extension of her issues.

I gotta know, what picture is your icon taken from?