Nope, we are in a burning house, tbhjazzypomJune 27 2016, 07:13:17 UTC
Ferrage and Johnson really muckracked an ugly, seedy part of Britain, and the newspapers and the BBC either studiously ignored it or cheered it on. The Sun especially has a lot to answer for. Our futures are with men who didn't expect to win, have no blueprint, and the press are just going into meltdown over the fact that they were a party to their ideas without push back, and seeing their stock values vanish. Everyone is harping about the marginal as the majority, and I've gotten some aggro, but to be fair, I've been in shock since the result, so short of anything physical, it's ... bearable.
Right now, I'm just having friends who are making moves out of the country, applying for Irish passports (if they can), so it's all death here, really.
Re: RE: Nope, we are in a burning house, tbhjazzypomJune 27 2016, 08:51:38 UTC
Well the country has pretty much cleaved itself in two. David Cameron flies to Brussells next week, and he's walking as a doomed man. All this is on his head, tbh. All because he tried to plactate the right wingers in his party.
Spain supposedly wants Gibraltar back, and if you think Britain would let that go without a fight, well...
Re: RE: Re: RE: Nope, we are in a burning house, tbhjazzypomJune 27 2016, 09:12:45 UTC
Gibraltar has been an English outpost since 1700s, tbh. The citizens for all intents and purposes, British. They did vote to stay within the EU (because it's a bit of a rock, and most people work outside, I think? I guess Gibraltar would need a referendum, or probably cleave themselves to Scotland, who seems to be already starting its own talks with the EU.
Britain has already sent a warship to protect it, since Spain has claimed dibs on the territory.
One of the pieces getting retweeted points out that though it's ludicrous to suggest that 52% of the country are hard line racists, hard line racists now think 52% of the country agree with them. It's embolden the absolute worst people, and it's not going to get better when we inevitably negotiate a deal that upholds freedom of movement in return for the economic benefits.
RE: but freedom of movement is *sacrosanct* ....pullhimdownJune 27 2016, 10:06:46 UTC
To the European project though. This is what Farage, Gove, Johnson and et al have neglected to tell the people.
How can people not do basic fact checking on this, though? Like, yeah, the media and the conservatives lied, but for fuck's sake. Just Google the Schegen area. Look at Norway and at Switzerland. Freedom of movement is pretty much a requirement for free trade. What were people expecting? That Europe as a whole would just roll over for a country that sent itself into a recession and might have splintered itself in the process?
That's okay, bb, it was more a rhetorical question than anything. This whole thing is just completely baffling. Someone tweeted that the UK is now living in a post-factual democracy, and that's the most accurate thing I've ever seen.
RE: but freedom of movement is *sacrosanct* ....pullhimdownJune 27 2016, 11:52:27 UTC
Man, there's being delusional and then there's... yeah. The more I think about it the more certain I am that no one really believed Leave would win, and now it has and everyone's at a loss of what to do. The EU will never roll over for them, so they'll have no choice but to agree to the free trade terms like everyone else, which will mean open borders and paying basically as much as they paid to be in the EU and following their regulations, while effectively removing themselves from the rooms where those decisions are made. So basically they pissed of the EU, weakened their country and tanked the economy for nothing.
And this nothing but the logical conclusion to their actions. Like, I can see while someone who takes what the Sun prints as facts would think this was a good idea, but there's no way any politician would half a functioning brain wouldn't see the consequences of this.
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Right now, I'm just having friends who are making moves out of the country, applying for Irish passports (if they can), so it's all death here, really.
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Spain supposedly wants Gibraltar back, and if you think Britain would let that go without a fight, well...
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Britain has already sent a warship to protect it, since Spain has claimed dibs on the territory.
Oh, Cameron. What have you wrought.
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How can people not do basic fact checking on this, though? Like, yeah, the media and the conservatives lied, but for fuck's sake. Just Google the Schegen area. Look at Norway and at Switzerland. Freedom of movement is pretty much a requirement for free trade. What were people expecting? That Europe as a whole would just roll over for a country that sent itself into a recession and might have splintered itself in the process?
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OMG. Some people really shouldn't breed. OMG.
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And this nothing but the logical conclusion to their actions. Like, I can see while someone who takes what the Sun prints as facts would think this was a good idea, but there's no way any politician would half a functioning brain wouldn't see the consequences of this.
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