Christina Hoff Sommers thinks the CDC is out to overstate violence against women

[maynardsong]

Trigger warning for dismissive attitudes about rape stats

Comments

[implodes]

thanks so much for calling out the use of that phrase - it's SO classist & hurtful.

(in before people start asking why we're focusing on her wording and not the article)

[sisterjune]

I agree that her word choice was wrong and classist but is it really fair or right to call her a "fake ass feminist"? I mean none of us are perfect and we've all at one point said something we shouldnt say or done something we shouldnt done or not been as empathetic or supportive to our fellow women as we should be. and even aside from that is it really your place to tell a feminist that she's a "fake" because she doesnt perform feminism the way you deem fit? I mean classism and the problems inherent with the world "classy" is not something everyone is aware of or understands. Its a matter of education. Like alot of people dont get what the issue is with words like "crazy" or "lame" It wasnt until I got into the social justice movement that I even knew the harmful history of those words and this was DESPITE being mentally ill and called crazy many times. so the fact that she used "classy" IMO should not automatically discount her being a feminist. yes she should be called out and yes she should edit the post I do not know why she

[danu_scathach]

"The CDC effectively set a stage where each step of physical intimacy required a notarized testament of sober consent."

Well that's kind of the fucking point, you fuck-shite. If you can't or don't get enthusiastic sober consent, then it's pretty much not consent and is rape. What's so fucking hard to understand about this?

[maynardsong]

Also, "notarized"? Do people that spout this stupid meme not realize that "Oh God that feels amazing" or "Don't stop" or "Yes, right there" are all forms of giving active consent? I should hope most people find that sexier than simply saying nothing, or worse, demurring, or worse still straight up saying no, which they think means yes. And yes, I should hope people strive for explicit consent. How can sex possibly be fun when your partner ISN'T giving those kinds of expressions of consent?

[kitanabychoice]

The agency’s figures are wildly at odds with official crime statistics.

I literally screamed "because they don't get reported, you dumbfuck!"

Now actually going to try and read the rest of this piece...

[darkmanifest]

Anyone who consented to sex because a suitor wore her or him down by “repeatedly asking” or “showing they were unhappy” was similarly classified as a victim of violence.

I don't know if I'd classify it as violence myself (maybe harassment?), but after reading the post just down from this one about that repulsive game-runner and his strategies for tricking women into sex without regard for them as human beings, I'm glad somebody at least finds something dreadfully wrong and unacceptable with this method of sexual interaction.

[phoenix_anca]

I've read about guys who repeatedly asked by, say, not letting their SOs sleep at night, waking them and asking them until they said yes. I'm not sure that violence is the best word but I can't think of what would be, since denying sleep to someone seems more than harrassment.

[apricotflower]

I call that violence.

[phoenix_anca]

Read more about it. I agree with you now.