Looking for a New Cleaning Lady

Mar 16, 2010 04:16


In this here article, some dude named Bentzion Elisha from Crown Heights tells us his very sad and woeful tale of how the Evil Spanish-Speaking Cleaning Lady robbed his family of their precious jewelry. Their items were returned to them, but it was still quite traumatic for the poor dears.

After the heart-wrenching story, Bentzion asks his readers  ( Read more... )

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anonymous March 16 2010, 18:49:58 UTC
The article is stupid. However the fact that you're against looking down at cleaning ladies, yet at the same time you're saying that we should be doing cleaning up ourselves shows that you yourself look down on cleaning ladies!
Otherwise you'd treat this issue as any hired worker - painter, contractor, babysitter, someone that mows the lawn or cleans the snow, etc.. How is cleaning lady different? If you want to clean yourself - fine, but everyone has a right to choose how to spend their money and time, don't they? You can paint your room yourself or hire someone, you can cook dinner or go out and be served by a waiter, food that someone cooked for you, you can do your nails yourself or go to a salon. You can also wash floors yourself or hire someone. Cleaning ladies are not slaves - they get payed for their job. It is their choice to do this job and I'm sure they would rather have people interested in hiring them than not.
Btw, I work in the office and there's a cleaning person here too, just like in every other office who comes and takes out garbage and cleans every office and the hallway. That's his job, and he's hired by my company. Do you also believe this is a problem and people should clean their own office buildings after work, and profession of janitor should be abolished altogether?

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 18:59:51 UTC
It is their choice to do this job and I'm sure they would rather have people interested in hiring them than not.

Hey, if you read my blog, you know that I am usually polite to my readers, even if I disagree. But this? This? Are you on crack? Have you met any little children who tell you they want to be a cleaning lady when they grow up?

It is as much of a choice to be a cleaning lady as it is to be a drug runner. No one does it because it their career counselor recommended it.

I don't look down on cleaning ladies. I feel bad for them. The people I look down on are the ones who have no physical ailments and have a few kids and cannot manage to keep their own crap clean so they have to pay someone to do it. It is extremely elitist to imagine that someone other person should be cleaning the mess you made. My mother taught me that I'm no better than anyone else and that if I make the mess, I clean it up.

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anonymous March 16 2010, 19:17:35 UTC
Well, sorry to say, but I completely disagree with you. This has nothing to do with what little girls want, most of them want to be ballerinas, but not too many adult women would choose ballerina as the best choice of a profession. Just like so many little boys want to be astronats or fire men or police men, but most likely when they grow up they'll want to be something else.
When I came to America I used to take any job and I remember going and washing dishes for some people and usually they also asked me to wash their cabinets for them, etc... I was thrilled to do it. It wasn't my dream job or something I was going to do for the rest of my life but at that time I needed to make a little bit of money quickly and this gave me an opportunity to do it.
You didn't answer my question about entire 'janitor' profession, do you believe it shouldn't exist at all?

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 19:28:56 UTC
I would do a demeaning job too. I would be a cleaning lady if that was my best option for feeding my family. Nothing wrong with an honest day's work. What is wrong is people who won't clean up afterthemselves because they are too good to do so.

Janitors- I guess we have to have janitors b/c there are common spaces that people share and will not clean by themselves.

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anonymous March 16 2010, 19:34:01 UTC
it's not about being too good at all. maybe you have some specific people in mind in your community who think they're 'too good', however it's very common to have a cleaning lady among secular jews and non-jews too, pretty much among everyone, and nothing to do with being too good.

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happyduck1979 March 16 2010, 21:03:07 UTC
I do know someone who used to want to be a cleaning lady when she grew up. How about people who want to grow up to be professional organizers? I mean, personally I think being a nurse is a truly revolting idea (bodily fluids and I rarely get along) but there are those who dream of it their whole lives. Someone I hire occasionally used to work at a shop and changed lines of work as this was something she was happier doing.

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 22:50:26 UTC
Nursing has some unpleasant parts to it, but the overall goal is very noble- to help the sick, to help those who cannot help themselves, to help end suffering. I don't know of a similar noble goal with regard to cleaning. I clean to help Mrs. Smith have a lovely toilet? I wash her floor so her guests will be impressed?

But that is interesting that you met someone who wanted to be a cleaning lady when she was little. Did she end up doing that?

Professional organizers are like interior design people, almost architects & artists.

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happyduck1979 March 16 2010, 23:03:58 UTC
Did she? don't know yet- she is not grown up :)

But there is a noble goal- long term same as a nurse or many other professions. To help someone else. Be is because they can't/won't do it themselves. For me to lose the work I get during the month leading up to pessach would mean serious financial difficulties for other months. My income around pessach makes up for other months where it is very slow (like sefira, the 3 weeks, etc where business is dead). One hour in the studio buys me 4 from my cleaning help.

The only reason organizers are on a higher level in your mind is because you put them there. For me, having someone at this time of year 1) releaves my stress leels considerably 2) allows me to build an income that help support my family at other times of year and 3) allows me to go in to yom tov somewhat more relaxed and not hating the chag like I used to before I was privileged enough to afford help.

Incidentally, I also hire someone right before my mom comes to visit, before and after a move, and occasionally if I feel like it. At those times, the ability to pay someone to 1) do things I hate (relining cupboards) 2) have trouble doing (windows- I can never get the darn things back in!) 3) find I do not do to my mother's rather exacting standards (grout). I include these times in my budget, am willing to give up other luxuries to pay for them, and have someone I trust. So what is the harm.

I agree with you that seeing it is a *right* is a problem. I am not entitled to have someone's help- I choose to make it an option available to me.

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onionsoupmix March 17 2010, 23:54:11 UTC
OK, I am starting to get a grasp on our differences. Relining cupboards, doing windows, grout- these are things not on my radar screen at all. As long as the counters are clean, the floor is swept and the house looks tidy, I am all done. If I was going to look into grout and windows, I would probably have to hire a whole country of cleaning ladies.

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happyduck1979 March 18 2010, 00:00:17 UTC
lol, only do most of those things when my mom or bubbie is coming to visit. regular sweeping, dishes, laundry etc we do on our own. I would *love* to have soemoen on sundays to do all my shabbat cleanup... i can daydream

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 19:01:13 UTC
Making a fancy meal for someone or doing their nails is not the same as scrubbing someone's toilets, sorry.

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anonymous March 16 2010, 19:21:28 UTC
why fancy meal? what about making coffee for someone? what about unloading these huge garbage bins? cutting someone's dirty nails I doubt is so pleasant either. there're tons of jobs that are not pleasant. What about being a nurse and physically cleaning up people, dressing people, and helping them go to the bathroom. There're so many jobs that are more unpleasant than cleaning toilets, or washing floors, or vacuuming.

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 19:26:31 UTC
Ok, it would be better if people could take of all of that themselves, but when you are sick, you can't so you need a nurse. Likewise, if you have two broken legs and cannot clean your own home, get a cleaning lady, gezunterheit.

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anonymous March 16 2010, 19:31:48 UTC
so do you also feel bad for nurses than? garbage men too? what about people who wash dishes in restaurant and see everyone's leftover food on the plates and have to touch all of that? I don't see your point. If you feel bad for people having to touch or see or smell something unpleasant then I would think there're jobs that have much more of that than cleaning ladies.

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onionsoupmix March 16 2010, 20:16:08 UTC
Ok, maybe I was too rude to you in the beginning of this thread. Sorry, anonymous whomever you are. You are probably not on crack :)

Is this my sister? LOL, that would be too funny.

I feel bad for people who have gross jobs, yes. But I feel way worse for people who have an attitude of how can they possibly clean their floors themselves and what are they going to do if the cleaning lady doesn't come today.

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anonymous March 16 2010, 20:50:03 UTC
I'm a different anonymous person but I agree with the anon. person above.

If someone can afford a cleaning lady and someone else advertises her services as a cleaning lady, what is the problem exactly? Even if the person can clean herself but chooses to use her time differently.

For many people it is an issue of opportunity cost. For example, a person may choose to buy a cake from the bakery rather than baking it herself since she earns $150 per hour and the bakery cake that would take them an hour to make only costs $20. Similarly, the person can pay a cleaning lady $15 per hour to clean her house since that is a lot less expensive for her than cleaning the house herself.

Also, I would assume that most people who work as cleaning ladies would rather do so than be unemployed, which is precisely what would happen if people stopped hiring cleaning ladies.

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