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matrixmann January 14 2018, 19:31:31 UTC
...You know what I think why it's only this "complaining behind the own garden fence"?
It's despair. You don't know what to change in order to cause any effect.
Slave labor you can't fight by simply purchasing other products - because meanwhile ALL clothes in the Western world are produced in slave labor somewhere far away. No matter what option you chose, in the end you still support the same exploitation system... Meanwhile the world has become this way.
The only possible exceptions from this rule are the crap the really, really rich can afford themselves. You know, custom-fabricated stuff on demand from a real tailor.
But how the fuck you find a tailor in every town? Also, about the money...
Crafts (Handwerk) are on the verge of dying out anyway in the classic manner that they were once known for, so what hope or even way out is there? None.
So that's why things only remain with the bitching and moaning behind the own garden fence. If you really wanted to change something, where to begin? A realistic answer already is not that easy, then doing is even less easier as it requires a lot of people to come to a similar conclusion as well as the courage in each human to draw similar consequences from that conclusion.
Saying, trying a "revolt of the dwarfes" (Zwergenaufstand) in the Western world doesn't change the circumstances and the behavior of the humans in South-East Asia and vice versa... It needed both, but how did you arrange something like that to happen in unison from far, far away?
Simply, that power doesn't rest within a group without means whose members are also only customers on the lowest level and the smallest cogs in the clockwork of this global system...
It's foolish to fantasize that in that position.
And that powerlessness is what speaks out of those chronically enraged people.

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onb2017 January 14 2018, 19:46:44 UTC
Even textile is produced in the same manner. Exploitation. The only way is to make out of weaved grass or something. Have you heard about ethical consumption? It is non-existent.

About people communicating though, it is possible. Like one time they were striking in the us about communication workers minimum wage, so members of the union went to Thailand where the jobs are outsourced and wound them up so it was an international strike. That is why we need unions everywhere at the moment.

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matrixmann January 14 2018, 20:11:30 UTC
That's why I only named it "possible exceptions"... I was aware of that fact still there lies the question of where the material for making custom-fabricated clothes comes from.

Textile industry is really the hardest example of this unhealthy circle. Everything had been outsourced to countries far, far away... Try to start an own textile industry again in the industrial nations? The better term and view to look at that plan is "build it from scratch". That's really how it is / would be...

I know from overseas how much changing it can be if unions who take their jobs of fighting for the workers serious become involved. Those which form there, they do a decent job indeed... Gets you the feeling what kind of sold-out rubbish that is which you have to put up with here.
Only I'm skeptic to this, how much it can get you in gain, because - workers aren't automatically members of unions here, first to mention this. And second, whenever the big unions move their little finger, then they only fight for their members, not also for those who can't afford a membership financially or because it would deeply worsen their chances for a job on this "free" market. Only some of the smaller, branch-restricted unions may behave differently in this... (Famous example were the strikes of the GDL (for train drivers) a few years ago. But don't ask for the ugly press they received in all media during that time...)
So to say, my German brain is used to unions being some kind of private club only fighting for its members and nobody else anymore, being someway sold-out and allied with the system.
I don't consider that circumstance to be impossible to happen to the other ones around the globe too...
So that makes me think "need something else to organize".
Not even to mention - what about people which won't have a labor union behind them because either they're too young, too sick to work or people already living from a state-paid pension? You know this that even in the rich countries of the world, those groups of people don't need to be rich...

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