Pretentious drivel

Oct 14, 2011 12:26

Been reading a book. Not something I often do, but it was writ by a friend of a friend, name of Jim. Just published this year. The man in the middle, Plan R, gave _wind_spirit_ and me two copies. It's an attempt to teach modern-day seekers what Jesus taught and what the Buddha taught. It has its pluses and its minuses, and it's not something I'd ordinarily ( Read more... )

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gmdreia October 14 2011, 21:10:45 UTC
Curious about your take on Law Of Attraction, since you mentioned it as being sinister.

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As requested old_cutter_john October 14 2011, 21:45:49 UTC
Need more money? Banish the thought. Decide that you have more money. Presumably without doing anything stupid, of course.

The problem with it is that it depends on a context in which it's possible to need more money, and thereby helps perpetuate the context. The Law of Projection doesn't. To some folks it matters; to others it's the difference between a concavity and a convexity in two interpretations of a song.

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Re: As requested gmdreia October 15 2011, 20:32:23 UTC
Interesting. Makes sense of some stuff.

I suppose I can tell you that I have some kind of "mojo"; I believe that i am able to create situations for myself to be to my liking because... In the past... I have. But typically this has been by seeing things as "everything will be okay" without putting any rules on how or why or when, then remaining open to novel solutions and surprises, not by imagining that a five hundred dollar bill was going to show up.

The worst possible thing for my "mojo" was discovering Law of Attraction - it STOPPED WORKING.

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The search for mojo old_cutter_john October 15 2011, 20:52:57 UTC
"But typically this has been by seeing things as 'everything will be okay' without putting any rules on how or why or when, then remaining open to novel solutions and surprises..."

I haven't seen you operate in that mode in a long time. Maybe if you go back to it, you'll get the results you were getting then.

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Re: The search for mojo gmdreia October 15 2011, 21:27:26 UTC
I haven't operated in that mode in about five years. Roughly since being with my ex.

Does that about fit your math?

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Re: The search for mojo old_cutter_john October 15 2011, 21:45:12 UTC
That's actually about as long as I've known you. I know of your adventurous style only from your own reports, substantiated by the common-sense understanding that your old stories (like, what actually happened) would have been impossible if you were in the habit of disqualifying as many potential situations as you do now.

What's curious about you and me, in particular, having this conversation, is that I do a lot of the same thing: I look at potential situations and choose not to involve myself. The differences are that nothing is lacking in my life, and I don't form a negative opinion or feeling about the situations I pass. I don't blame them for being what they are; they're just not for me.

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Re: The search for mojo gmdreia October 15 2011, 21:59:15 UTC
That actually dovetails into another conversation we had, years ago. You said something to the effect that it was possible to not prefer something, without casting judgment. this actually has simmered in my brain ever since.

What is amazing is that I think most people judge. How many people actually say, after a breakup or job termination, "ZOMG they're totally evil and I'm a poor put-upon little thing"? Lots.

I think I've successfully shifted a bit - just a little - because I think i was more conscious in the breakup with S (I did not have to hate S or even judge; I could just say, "we are not right together") - again, I think this came from some of your guidance.

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Re: The search for mojo old_cutter_john October 15 2011, 22:10:43 UTC
Happy to be a bad influence!

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Re: The search for mojo gmdreia October 15 2011, 22:36:22 UTC
You're one of my worse ones ;)

Funny thing is, some time ago (a few years ago) you commented that you didn't think i paid attention, or something to that effect.

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Re: The search for mojo old_cutter_john October 15 2011, 22:43:56 UTC
Well, yeah. Ofttimes all I could see was your reaction to your buttons being pushed, and I figured the message on the level above had got lost.

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Re: The search for mojo gmdreia October 15 2011, 23:02:35 UTC
I was actually listening pretty hard, but at a below-conscious level, i think. A lot of it sank in later.

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Re: The search for mojo old_cutter_john October 15 2011, 23:15:47 UTC
Great! Good to see!

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