Amelia goes on a date with Disappointing Man

[lurkymclurkson]

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If this had dropped before Andrew recently professed his love and admiration for a known abuser, would ONTD feel differently about Amelia going on a date with him? She asks him Snog, Marry, Avoid, between Tobey Maguire, Tom Holland and herself. He asks her what she wants in her life, marriage, kids, the lot

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[champagnexdream]

I can't figure out if it's all an act or what. My gut is that she is into him and he isn't and is playing it all up for promo but IDK how to feel because their chemistry is off the charts

[lurkymclurkson]

I think Andrew is playing it up for sure, especially in the promo leading up to this where he bit his lip? Like come on, he's playing.

The interview I did end up enjoying, if he wasnt a Gibson apologist, I probably would've been giggling kicking my feet up in the air at some of the stuff in the interview. Because sometimes its fun to have fun.

[champagnexdream]

I am mad at him for the Mel stuff but maybe he is just a good person who wants to believe the best in people, IDK. I am disappointed though

[mandapandao_o]

ONTD might come for me but I see this about Andrew as well. Someone who wants to believe the best in people.

[champagnexdream]

He's also Jewish, which I feel like...his "people can change" mindset here doesn't excuse Mel's comments but his opinion holds more weight than mine, as a gentile, for sure.

Doesn't address the other shit about Mel of course but yeah either way, I don't hate Andrew for the comments he made recently. He didn't excuse anything

[syvlie0o0]

Nah, he literally excused it by saying Mel was an alcoholic but he's all better now.

So he thinks Gibson should be shown more compassion? “Alcoholism is a disease. I’ve known alcoholics and I’ve known addicts. And thankfully I have a lot of compassion around that...But I needed to sit with him to get to know him, as a person, because no one can avoid the news and celebrity gossip. When we met, I got to know the real Mel, the six-years-sober Mel, and I experienced a good soul, a man who has done a lot of work on himself.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/dec/30/andrew-garfield-never-compromised-who-was-spider-man

[champagnexdream]

My knee-jerk reaction is to be like UGH but...he specifically answered this question in the context of how HE has compassion for Mel, not saying anyone else should, even though he was asked generally.

I get it though. He also always has the option to just...not say anything

[starsandcrosses]

addiction and sobriety can and do absolutely change who you are as a person, though. no one has to forgive mel gibson or feel compassion for him because of his alcoholism and subsequent sobriety, that's not the point of sobriety or making amends, but i actually don't think andrew garfield's comment is excusing him or saying "oh he was an alcoholic but is all better now". he's saying that he has compassion around addiction and sobriety, not saying anyone else has to feel that way. ultimately the vast majority of people get sober because they want to change and their lives are unmanageable, it could've been the same for mel gibson.

maybe i'm biased because i'm a recovering alcoholic but i can say with certainty that the person i was in active addiction was not a true reflection of who i actually am or my values. i was literally out of my mind and under the influence of a mood-altering drug 99% of the time, that absolutely made me think and act in ways i feel so much guilt for and do not agree with on a moral level. it's so complex, but

[theleveebroke]

I don't have anything meaningful to add, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate you sharing your perspective so much & wish you nothing but the best in your life and your recovery.

[automaticpeople]

He said he’d give someone a 4th chance, while discussing a racist, misogynistic and homophobic man who beat his girlfriend.

It sounds to me like he’s excusing stuff. Saying in advance that you’d give someone several chances, is basically admitting you’d quickly get over such behaviour.

https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-most-offensive-mel-gibson-quotes-/stupid-celebrity-quotes

One of his nicest quotes about women, is saying they should be at home with kids.

[champagnexdream]

I didn't even realize he'd said all that shit too. Ugh Andrew

[belle_chouette]

when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time ☹️

[i_prefer_scummy]

I agree. Mel has relevatively little power right now in the grand scheme of things. And if he's redeeming himself or making amends, people gotta have that chance imo. IDK I believe in restorative justice.

[champagnexdream]

I think a lot of factors go into it, but I just appreciate that Andrew has put the his opinion into the context of him alone and not how everyone else should feel. At least that’s how his comments have read to me

[truth_and_facts]

Despite all of his messiness, Mel was nominated for best director for his film with Andrew, which also earned Andrew a nomination, he still has power in the industry, he's not some helpless puppy.

[automaticpeople]

Or he’s just another man who doesn’t care about violent, racist, misogynistic and homophobic men?

What’s more likely?