Hmm interesting the Swifties didn't defend her but now thinking about it do they ever defend any of Taylor's friends? Like when Selena fucks up they're not there right? It's mostly Selena fans that defend her.
Looking at her filmography she's def not in high demand either. A key different between her and Margot is that Margot is a go-getter without resorting to throwing people under the bus.
Yeah that’s true, Swifties don’t really go out of their way for Selena but Selena has her own fanbase so she always comes out of her messes unscathed lol. Speaking of Selena, i think she’s an interesting comparison to Blake because imo she’s gotten significantly less annoying in the last year or so, she finally stopped commenting on TikToks of Hailey, and she is a successful producer of an Emmy nominated TV show, Only Murders in the Building! Selena kinda makes Blake look like even more of a flop lol.
I think it’s so funny that Barbie broke that entire friend group’s brains. They’re a group of white women that thinks they monopolize the narrative around girlhood with their squad being passed off as the epitome of female friendsjip, and then different white women (Greta/Margot/etc) stole their thunder lol. I knooow Blake was jealous of Margot’s role and production creds, and Taylor was jealous of Billie’s second Oscar win. I also suspect Emma Stone was a little jealous of Margot’s reputation as a producer and wants to be a big name producer like her, but to her credit, she is dealing with that by producing more films and gaining more experience, as she should, instead of engaging in the petty antics of Blake and Taylor.
Selena seems to be fine primarily cause she gotta a man to keep her occupied because when she's single....that's when she's gives into the pettiness instead of ignoring it.
To Selena's credit compared to Blake, she is self-made and literally came from nothing to building her own successful brand in tv, music, and makeup. Blake is a nepo-baby who dad and siblings had connections to the industry. But her hustle skills don't seem to be great. Selena on the other hand is def a hustler and unlike Blake crew members speak kindly of her and have never said a bad thing against her. Whereas not so nice things are coming out behind the scenes about Blake...none positive.
Billie's 2 oscars must have Taylor bugging cause that's a stat she never and can't achieve age-wise.
What makes you think Emma is jealous of Margot? Emma is really private and very off the grid when she's not promoting so I can't get too much of a tea off her. Funny enough when Margot first came out with Wolf of Wall Street, she looked a lot like Emma!
There was a TikTok going around during awards season where Yorgos and Emma were on a red carpet and didn’t realize they were being filmed and you can see Emma mockingly flip her hair and say “I’m Barbie” which made it look like she was making fun of Margot. She was also copying a lot of Margot’s talking points re: producing in her own interviews. I think she really wants to be taken seriously as a producer like Margot is. To be fair, Margot is probably also jealous of Emma’s Oscars lol.
Yeah Selena came from nothing but she hustles hard and has accomplished a lot… that TV show is actually pretty cute! It’s kind of shocking that with all the resources Blake has between her parents and her husband she can’t do the same.
"see Emma mockingly flip her hair and say “I’m Barbie” which made it look like she was making fun of Margot."
Oh I hope that was light teasing cause I'd be shocked! Cause Emma kept it pretty nice with the other girls (but she is friends with Jennifer Lawrence who I find annoying...)
" To be fair, Margot is probably also jealous of Emma’s Oscars lol."
She shouldn't be if true, cause neither role was it. Emma may have her 2 oscars (I can't believe this lol) but I rather have Margot's hustler and go-getter skills instead!!
"that TV show is actually pretty cute! It’s kind of shocking that with all the resources Blake has between her parents and her husband she can’t do the same."
Lol nepo-benefits doesn't guarantee talent or skills!
Yeah, after I saw that TikTok I looked at vids where Emma and Margot were together, like vids from this past awards season when they were constantly at the same events, and you could tell they don’t really like each other… like they would be polite and professional with each other but keep their distance from each other. Which is obviously fine lol, not all women have to be friends, but if you brought it up stans would be like “why do you want to pit women against each other?” ummm why do you hate fun and gossiping? I want to know why they don’t like each other!
Since we’re on the topic of questions I have but if I bring it up I’ll be accused of pitting women against each other , I want to know how Margot and Anya Taylor-Joy both appeared with Taylor in that David O. Russell movie but didn’t end up part of the squad lol. There’s no way Taylor would’ve turned them down. Margot doesn’t seem like the type to join anyone’s squad tbh, but Anya has multiple times hung out with Taylor’s friend group via Cara Delevingne but has been careful to never, ever get photographed with them which I wouldn’t have made much of except then Anya had no problem getting photographed at Charli XCX’s bday party. 🤔 I want to know why Anya didn’t want to be photographed with the squad but being photographed with Charli’s crew was ok! I feel like people behind the scenes in Hollywood must look down at the squad and only people most desperate for publicity join.
Margot will get an Oscar soon imo, as soon as she has an Oscar caliber role they’ll give it to her because they clearly like her and are ready to award her.
“lol why are you putting women against each other!!!” Lol not my fault my crystal ball and vibes tend to be sensitive to certain attitudes. Some of us pick up potential shit quicker instead of being of being delulu or drinking the kool aid. Plus I think people know their faves or women are messy but don’t like them being outed cause they’re probably similar lol 👁️👄👁️.
Anywho~ I just think both Margot and Anya are just drama-avoidant. Both of them are off the grid when not promoting. Right off the bat that tells you they’re not interested in extra fame and attention that’s not convenient. Neither one needs Taylor’s clout because one of the unsaid requirement of joining the squad is that you’re more likely beneath Taylor fame-wise. Obviously there’s exceptions but I thought it was interesting that more famous squad members are the ones least there. Like Cara, Zendaya, Gigi, Hayley W, and some others aren’t as active as they were during 1989. That was the squad peak and some of them were clearly there for the convenience. Like I think of people like Zendaya or Lorde who were there for a minute but dipped asap when they realized there’s drama and a certain level of loyalty~ associated.
Even Selena is interesting cause she’s the closest friend to Taylor of that entire group. And for a while she was tied to the hip everywhere with Taylor but I think that slight convenience too cause I don’t think she had much going on (yeah she has her music career) but I noticed her less and less since she’s found major success with rare beauty and OMITB (plus she’s boo’d up now + she’s also always wanted more of acting career than music so I think she’s more content now). Like I know they’re still friends but almost everything with Taylor is slightly transactional.
Meanwhile someone like Blake is a super dedicated member cause that’s her only source of relevance at times. I thought it was embarrassing how much she’s down for Taylor whenever she needs her there (especially pap walks lol).
Now bringing it back to Margot and Anya. Margot is similar to Taylor in that they’re girls who know what they want and are driven to go after it but Margot not dirty about it. And she’s not here for drama and negative backlash associated with it, makes me think to the Barbie snubs at the Oscars.…everyone lost their minds but Margot simply replied “I’m too blessed with these other noms to be stressed over a snub).
Anya I think is even more avoidant because she had a bit of it-girl status with the vvitch and Queen’s gambit. I noticed that people would start getting annoyed with her because she mentioned her insecurities in interviews. She’d mentioned how she’s an insecure about her looks because people would comment on her eyes but because she’s success and looking pretty on magazine covers that bothers people lol. I think she kinda noticed that and took caution with fame.
Both Margot and Anya have been it-girls and both I think the negatives of that extra attention.
I think it’s easier for Anya to be seen and photographed with Charli and co, cause they’re relatively drama-free club people. Charli is the not the cult leader with a rabid fanbase that Taylor is. Charli is never gonna call up Anya and friends and be like “I need you guys to defend me STAT!!” or “pap walk, the theme is indie sleeze”. There’s so much and media with Taylor on the other hand.
lol I laughed when I opened my notification and saw an essay!
But yes! Why do people come on celebrity gossip sites if they don’t want to gossip? It’s not as bad on ONTD, but on most of the celebrity gossip subreddits on Reddit they’re really not there to gossip, they’re there to stan so they cant even acknowledge that their fave celebrities might be a little messy (like all humans are!) and will pull out the “stop pitting women against each other!!!” if you can tell two people just don’t vibe lol.
Yeah thinking about it again I think Margot might be a bit too famous in her own right to be part of the squad, the squad cannot have two people being bejeweled at the same time. She wouldn’t have been interested anyway, and I really do think Taylor and Blake felt a type of way that before Barbie they were held up as Hollywood’s ultimate blonde white women and the media treated their squad as the epitome of womanhood, and then two different blonde white women in Margot and Greta swooped in and took that narrative.
Anya on the other hand is still a bit more up and coming even though she’s also an it girl. The first time I noticed she was hanging around the squad was when it was reported she was at Taylor’s SNL performance of All Too Well, three years ago, but no photos. I was like oh no, she’s going to become annoying now, and I was mentally prepared to see her in a squad pap walk especially because she went to a few more Taylor adjacent hang outs but then it never happened! I thought maybe she just didn’t like that kind of PR. So then I was shocked when she started letting herself be photographed with Charli. She clearly did the math and decided photos with Charli = good PR, photos with Taylor and squad = bad PR, and while it’s not hard to see why (honestly a good choice to keep her brand separate when Swifties will drop you very quickly if Mother decides she doesn’t like a squad member anymore) I really want to know the exact thought process lol.
I honestly don’t think selena and Taylor are very close and haven’t been in years. It’s harder to tell with Taylor but Selena is so addicted to social media you know exactly who she hangs out with most of the time and it’s never Taylor unless she needs her for PR reasons. I think Blake is Taylor’s real bestie lol and it makes so much sense given everything we’ve learned the last few days.
Girls just wanna have fun and gossip 🎀✨!!(and see if the intuition and vibes were right 🔮-it’s a fun game for the ego and psychological ngl 👀)
Huh never thought about that battle of blonde white woman supremacy between Margot/Greta and Taylor/Blake. But you probably have a point cause I have gotten that vibe from Taylor/Blake. It’s always unnerving when you build up a certain image of yourself for years only to have someone swoop in and challenge it without breaking a sweat or even having you in mind 🤔🤭.
Margot is smart she keeps herself away from the tabloid aspect of fame and focusing on building her producer skills in the industry.
Anya I get the vibe she is kinda no-nonsense and wouldn’t kiss the ring so easily. She not overtly aggressive but she does voice her opinions cause I think how for the menu and furiosa she really advocates for female rage and things like that so I feel like she’d get annoyed by Taylor’s antics which are childish and bratty. But either way I just think it boils down to realizing it’s not really good PR and too HS-drama filled.
On the hand she def cool with Charli cause she gave a shoutout on her IG a while back https://www.reddit.com/r/charlixcx/comments/1dt71n9/anya_taylor_joy_made_a_360_reference_in_her/ You could probably argue that not in a bad way but she hangs out with more cooler it girls who have a more maturer vibe than what Taylor brings to the table 🤷🏻♀️🤔 (btw I thought it was funny that while looking for that pic, I noticed that Sabrina was at Charli’s bday party too 👀🤭).
Selena always been a social climber to me me. I’ve always felt she dropped Demi for Taylor for partially that reason (there’s other too) but in general I feel like everything with Taylor is just so transactional. (What a number her parents did on her!!)
Blake is gonna be there for a long time cause her projects aren’t popping as much and the negative press ain’t helping much. But if she were to hit big then she start moving away from Taylor too.
I love this thread! Late but I'm jumping in with my 2p
It's worth remembering that Anya, despite her up and comer status, is still from an insanely rich family (was a bridesmaid at that Getty girl's wedding) and based on her projects, I do think she doesn't want her image to be publicly associated with someone who's basically seen as for the purity ring girlies or the basic girlbosses, vs being ok with being seen with Charli who is actually seen as groundbreaking and interesting and having a more youthful/early-adopter fanbase, if that makes sense? I'm not saying Anya can't like her music, obviously they did hang, but she (Anya) does seem like the type who'd have no truck with being subservient and 'lesser'.
lmao emma was caught NUMEROUS times during awards season where emma was mocking margot behind her back in view of cameras and then would switch up and smile to her face
i tried to find the one i am thinking of which was at the golden globes and margot was on the carpet and emma was waiting to go on the step and repeat and seemed irritated as she turned to yorgos and went oH My GoD iTs BaRbIe in the most condescending vocal fry and then noticed the camera was right there and scooted herself out of shot lakdjgklad
Looking at her filmography she's def not in high demand either. A key different between her and Margot is that Margot is a go-getter without resorting to throwing people under the bus.
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I think it’s so funny that Barbie broke that entire friend group’s brains. They’re a group of white women that thinks they monopolize the narrative around girlhood with their squad being passed off as the epitome of female friendsjip, and then different white women (Greta/Margot/etc) stole their thunder lol. I knooow Blake was jealous of Margot’s role and production creds, and Taylor was jealous of Billie’s second Oscar win. I also suspect Emma Stone was a little jealous of Margot’s reputation as a producer and wants to be a big name producer like her, but to her credit, she is dealing with that by producing more films and gaining more experience, as she should, instead of engaging in the petty antics of Blake and Taylor.
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To Selena's credit compared to Blake, she is self-made and literally came from nothing to building her own successful brand in tv, music, and makeup. Blake is a nepo-baby who dad and siblings had connections to the industry. But her hustle skills don't seem to be great. Selena on the other hand is def a hustler and unlike Blake crew members speak kindly of her and have never said a bad thing against her. Whereas not so nice things are coming out behind the scenes about Blake...none positive.
Billie's 2 oscars must have Taylor bugging cause that's a stat she never and can't achieve age-wise.
What makes you think Emma is jealous of Margot? Emma is really private and very off the grid when she's not promoting so I can't get too much of a tea off her. Funny enough when Margot first came out with Wolf of Wall Street, she looked a lot like Emma!
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Yeah Selena came from nothing but she hustles hard and has accomplished a lot… that TV show is actually pretty cute! It’s kind of shocking that with all the resources Blake has between her parents and her husband she can’t do the same.
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"see Emma mockingly flip her hair and say “I’m Barbie” which made it look like she was making fun of Margot."
Oh I hope that was light teasing cause I'd be shocked! Cause Emma kept it pretty nice with the other girls (but she is friends with Jennifer Lawrence who I find annoying...)
" To be fair, Margot is probably also jealous of Emma’s Oscars lol."
She shouldn't be if true, cause neither role was it. Emma may have her 2 oscars (I can't believe this lol) but I rather have Margot's hustler and go-getter skills instead!!
"that TV show is actually pretty cute! It’s kind of shocking that with all the resources Blake has between her parents and her husband she can’t do the same."
Lol nepo-benefits doesn't guarantee talent or skills!
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Since we’re on the topic of questions I have but if I bring it up I’ll be accused of pitting women against each other , I want to know how Margot and Anya Taylor-Joy both appeared with Taylor in that David O. Russell movie but didn’t end up part of the squad lol. There’s no way Taylor would’ve turned them down. Margot doesn’t seem like the type to join anyone’s squad tbh, but Anya has multiple times hung out with Taylor’s friend group via Cara Delevingne but has been careful to never, ever get photographed with them which I wouldn’t have made much of except then Anya had no problem getting photographed at Charli XCX’s bday party. 🤔 I want to know why Anya didn’t want to be photographed with the squad but being photographed with Charli’s crew was ok! I feel like people behind the scenes in Hollywood must look down at the squad and only people most desperate for publicity join.
Margot will get an Oscar soon imo, as soon as she has an Oscar caliber role they’ll give it to her because they clearly like her and are ready to award her.
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Anywho~ I just think both Margot and Anya are just drama-avoidant. Both of them are off the grid when not promoting. Right off the bat that tells you they’re not interested in extra fame and attention that’s not convenient. Neither one needs Taylor’s clout because one of the unsaid requirement of joining the squad is that you’re more likely beneath Taylor fame-wise. Obviously there’s exceptions but I thought it was interesting that more famous squad members are the ones least there. Like Cara, Zendaya, Gigi, Hayley W, and some others aren’t as active as they were during 1989. That was the squad peak and some of them were clearly there for the convenience. Like I think of people like Zendaya or Lorde who were there for a minute but dipped asap when they realized there’s drama and a certain level of loyalty~ associated.
Even Selena is interesting cause she’s the closest friend to Taylor of that entire group. And for a while she was tied to the hip everywhere with Taylor but I think that slight convenience too cause I don’t think she had much going on (yeah she has her music career) but I noticed her less and less since she’s found major success with rare beauty and OMITB (plus she’s boo’d up now + she’s also always wanted more of acting career than music so I think she’s more content now). Like I know they’re still friends but almost everything with Taylor is slightly transactional.
Meanwhile someone like Blake is a super dedicated member cause that’s her only source of relevance at times. I thought it was embarrassing how much she’s down for Taylor whenever she needs her there (especially pap walks lol).
Now bringing it back to Margot and Anya. Margot is similar to Taylor in that they’re girls who know what they want and are driven to go after it but Margot not dirty about it. And she’s not here for drama and negative backlash associated with it, makes me think to the Barbie snubs at the Oscars.…everyone lost their minds but Margot simply replied “I’m too blessed with these other noms to be stressed over a snub).
Anya I think is even more avoidant because she had a bit of it-girl status with the vvitch and Queen’s gambit. I noticed that people would start getting annoyed with her because she mentioned her insecurities in interviews. She’d mentioned how she’s an insecure about her looks because people would comment on her eyes but because she’s success and looking pretty on magazine covers that bothers people lol. I think she kinda noticed that and took caution with fame.
Both Margot and Anya have been it-girls and both I think the negatives of that extra attention.
I think it’s easier for Anya to be seen and photographed with Charli and co, cause they’re relatively drama-free club people. Charli is the not the cult leader with a rabid fanbase that Taylor is. Charli is never gonna call up Anya and friends and be like “I need you guys to defend me STAT!!” or “pap walk, the theme is indie sleeze”. There’s so much and media with Taylor on the other hand.
/k at me writing a whole opinion piece 🤦🏻♀️
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But yes! Why do people come on celebrity gossip sites if they don’t want to gossip? It’s not as bad on ONTD, but on most of the celebrity gossip subreddits on Reddit they’re really not there to gossip, they’re there to stan so they cant even acknowledge that their fave celebrities might be a little messy (like all humans are!) and will pull out the “stop pitting women against each other!!!” if you can tell two people just don’t vibe lol.
Yeah thinking about it again I think Margot might be a bit too famous in her own right to be part of the squad, the squad cannot have two people being bejeweled at the same time. She wouldn’t have been interested anyway, and I really do think Taylor and Blake felt a type of way that before Barbie they were held up as Hollywood’s ultimate blonde white women and the media treated their squad as the epitome of womanhood, and then two different blonde white women in Margot and Greta swooped in and took that narrative.
Anya on the other hand is still a bit more up and coming even though she’s also an it girl. The first time I noticed she was hanging around the squad was when it was reported she was at Taylor’s SNL performance of All Too Well, three years ago, but no photos. I was like oh no, she’s going to become annoying now, and I was mentally prepared to see her in a squad pap walk especially because she went to a few more Taylor adjacent hang outs but then it never happened! I thought maybe she just didn’t like that kind of PR. So then I was shocked when she started letting herself be photographed with Charli. She clearly did the math and decided photos with Charli = good PR, photos with Taylor and squad = bad PR, and while it’s not hard to see why (honestly a good choice to keep her brand separate when Swifties will drop you very quickly if Mother decides she doesn’t like a squad member anymore) I really want to know the exact thought process lol.
I honestly don’t think selena and Taylor are very close and haven’t been in years. It’s harder to tell with Taylor but Selena is so addicted to social media you know exactly who she hangs out with most of the time and it’s never Taylor unless she needs her for PR reasons. I think Blake is Taylor’s real bestie lol and it makes so much sense given everything we’ve learned the last few days.
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Huh never thought about that battle of blonde white woman supremacy between Margot/Greta and Taylor/Blake. But you probably have a point cause I have gotten that vibe from Taylor/Blake. It’s always unnerving when you build up a certain image of yourself for years only to have someone swoop in and challenge it without breaking a sweat or even having you in mind 🤔🤭.
Margot is smart she keeps herself away from the tabloid aspect of fame and focusing on building her producer skills in the industry.
Anya I get the vibe she is kinda no-nonsense and wouldn’t kiss the ring so easily. She not overtly aggressive but she does voice her opinions cause I think how for the menu and furiosa she really advocates for female rage and things like that so I feel like she’d get annoyed by Taylor’s antics which are childish and bratty. But either way I just think it boils down to realizing it’s not really good PR and too HS-drama filled.
On the hand she def cool with Charli cause she gave a shoutout on her IG a while back https://www.reddit.com/r/charlixcx/comments/1dt71n9/anya_taylor_joy_made_a_360_reference_in_her/
You could probably argue that not in a bad way but she hangs out with more cooler it girls who have a more maturer vibe than what Taylor brings to the table 🤷🏻♀️🤔 (btw I thought it was funny that while looking for that pic, I noticed that Sabrina was at Charli’s bday party too 👀🤭).
Selena always been a social climber to me me. I’ve always felt she dropped Demi for Taylor for partially that reason (there’s other too) but in general I feel like everything with Taylor is just so transactional. (What a number her parents did on her!!)
Blake is gonna be there for a long time cause her projects aren’t popping as much and the negative press ain’t helping much. But if she were to hit big then she start moving away from Taylor too.
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It's worth remembering that Anya, despite her up and comer status, is still from an insanely rich family (was a bridesmaid at that Getty girl's wedding) and based on her projects, I do think she doesn't want her image to be publicly associated with someone who's basically seen as for the purity ring girlies or the basic girlbosses, vs being ok with being seen with Charli who is actually seen as groundbreaking and interesting and having a more youthful/early-adopter fanbase, if that makes sense? I'm not saying Anya can't like her music, obviously they did hang, but she (Anya) does seem like the type who'd have no truck with being subservient and 'lesser'.
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