ONTD Original: Some Context on the recent Ashton Kutcher Allegations

[just444]

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the tl;dr of all of this: Allegedly Ashton did not tell the complete truth about the murder of his then girlfriend Ashley Ellerin

Ashley Ellerin was killed by serial killer Michael Gargiulo on February 21 2001, that fact is not in doubt, they have his DNA

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[pciam]

Wow. I knew about this story but I always believed Ashton didn’t go inside or thought that she had left because she didn’t answer the door because he was hours late.

If this is true, then wow. Imagine seeing someone gruesomely murdered and your immediate thought is not to cal 9/11 but to call your manager and be concerned about your reputation? The fuck

[bluestoplights]

that was his story, something about thinking the blood was a red wine stain and he had his fingerprints on her door

she was stabbed 47 times

i cannot imagine not calling the fucking cops

[pciam]

I saw a documentary on the Hollywood Ripper, but it’s been a few years ago so I forget some of the details. 47? Jesus.

I CANT imagine not immediately calling 9-1-1. It would be like a reflex. I can’t imagine it being something one would need to consider or mull over.

[skyler_white_yo]

Just shows that he values his public image over another human life.

[tralexora]

And on top of that, your GIRLFRIEND

[pepsi_twist9]

Tbf your brain will go through all the ropes to not assume the worst. It's the same sort of energy of you're home alone and hear a sound and reassure yourself it's nothing until it happens again to put you on alert

[bluestoplights]

yeah but the hour long phone call afterwards strategizing goes a lil beyond writing it off

[pepsi_twist9]

That's if he saw her body. I just meant in terms of the believability of someone not calling 911 and thinking they saw wine instead of blood. I'm not saying he isn't lying, I'm just talking about the optics of saying it's crazy to not believe someone wouldn't immediately jump to murder

[pciam]

Yeah - but if he saw her dead body on the floor after having been stabbed that many times? It’s pretty much confirmation that you should call the police.

I can rationalize away a bump in the night home alone, but not if I actually see a stranger in my home…

[pepsi_twist9]

That's if he saw her body. I just meant in terms of the believability of someone not calling 911 and thinking they saw wine instead of blood. I'm not saying he isn't lying, I'm just talking about the optics of saying it's crazy to not believe someone wouldn't immediately jump to murder.

[pciam]

Oh that makes more sense. Sorry. Yeah I could see that if he actually didn’t go in.

[pepsi_twist9]

Nah you're good. It'd be a whole nother brain gymnastic to see a dead body and be like "nope, that's 100% wine"

[aniram90]

I just don't understand how calling the police would hurt his reputation, if anything the public would be sympathetic. Am I missing something?

[ostsiberia]

He wasn't thinking straight and betting on public sympathy is a gamble. The crime scene was probably so horrific to walk into, his fight-or-flight might have kicked in so he fled and in the moment he might have worried he would have been deemed a suspect. Also in waiting the longer he waited the more damning it might have seemed. 'What time did you walk in? And you made the call an hour later? Why not right away? What were you doing for that hour?' And even if he were found not guilty, people would still see him as that guy who probably murdered his gf. Dating her his prints would be all over the place. So instead go to a party were loads of people will witness you there and would verify that you were partying and not murdering someone.

[totteringg]

I think he just didn't want to be publicly associated with a murder in any way because his career was kind of taking off.

[skeetertuskin]

i'm going out on a limb here and giving him benefit of the doubt. the general mistrust of the police and the way they've mishandled so many murder cases (botched evidence, wrongful convictions etc) in the past, his thought process might have been: the boyfriend/husband is always the prime suspect and him being inside the house/at the crime scene and discovering the body would have implicated him. he would have had to submit himself for questioning, dna sampling etc and this would have been all over the media which in return would have severely impacted his career and reputation as an all american boy. ashley's murderer wasn't apprehended immediately, i believe it took them almost 10 years to link gargiulo to her murder so i don't think the media and the public would have been all that sympathetic to ashton initially