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Douchey Moments in History

Dec 09, 2010 08:22

Welcome to another edition of Douchey Moments in History!

"I love you"
I know, I know... when it comes to douchey phrases, "I love you" wouldn't be one of the first to come to mind. And the fact is, Noah doesn't actually do any thing douchey in this clip. In fact, he's not even in the scene I've linked to, and the text message that gets Luke all ( Read more... )

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I really wonder what Van and Jake thought dkellergrl December 9 2010, 15:03:23 UTC

when they received their scripts ( ... )

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought peggin December 9 2010, 15:40:47 UTC

This stuff would have NEVER happened, if it was being written for a heterosexual fictional couple.I actually think the dynamic between Luke and Reid is eerily similar to the dynamic between Lily and Holden. In fact, I've commented in the past about how I've read and heard a lot of places that boys generally tend to fall in love with someone a lot like their mother and girls generally tend to fall in love with someone a lot like their father, and that it makes sense to be that a gay boy would fall for someone like his father, and that's exactly what Luke did when he fell for Noah ( ... )

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought susanderavish December 9 2010, 15:45:42 UTC

UM YOU SAID REID IN YOUR FIRST SENTENCE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A TYPO, Y/Y?

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought peggin December 9 2010, 15:49:42 UTC

OMG, yes, of course it was! I meant Noah! I guess I just have such an aversion to Luke with Noah that even typing those words together is hard for me!

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought rhiannonhero December 9 2010, 16:14:29 UTC

*high five*

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought smittle December 10 2010, 05:52:08 UTC

I was thinking this the other day too--that Noah is kind of like Holden and Reid sort of like Damien (see esp comment about Damien being freaking hot). I like Holden for the most part but he wasn't really a good husband/boyfriend/father although he always seemed "nice" and well liked.

Back on topic: Noah is a douche!

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought peggin December 10 2010, 15:21:11 UTC

I like Holden for the most part but he wasn't really a good husband/boyfriend/father

Yeah, you're totally right about that. There were times Holden could be a really good father to Luke, but there were also times when he was terrible (like when he supported Luke's "relationship" with Jade just because he was so happy that Luke was with a girl). But he really did have that same "hypocrite" thing as Noah did going on. Like when he and Lily were separated, and Holden had already seen an attorney about getting a divorce, he still acted like Lily had done something all kinds of wrong and horrible by starting a relationship with Dusty... but when Holden and Lily were trying to work through their issues and reconcile, and Holden had an affair with Carly, it seemed to be all, "it was a mistake! why can't you just understand that!"

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought susanderavish December 9 2010, 15:44:11 UTC

I would love to know, but mostly because Jake has talked endlessly about what a nice guy Noah is/was, and how he wished he could have had a chance to play him less nice and that the reason he took the asshole part in his V.V.V AMAZING FILM STUFFER was because it was such a change of pace from playing the nice nice super duper nice Noah Mayer omg!!

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought dkellergrl December 9 2010, 15:51:57 UTC

I'm laughing my ass off right now.

"A nice guy Noah is/was, and how he wished he could have had a chance to play him LESS nice"?! IMO, then the writers could have written Noah hitting Luke, whenever he didn't do, say or think the way that "the boy he fell in love would" should have done, according to Noah.

Jake has to keep his fan financial backers happy and they would be cross if he ever said anything remotely negative about Noah. He's going to have to rely on those folks, if he wants to do another indie film, from one of his own penned scripts.

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought rhiannonhero December 9 2010, 16:08:45 UTC

IMO, it's one of the writers responsibilities to make sure that the continuity of the character's point of view and motivation remained consistent during any and all storylines that they created. Yet, they maintained that Noah was consistent in NEVER really being fully supportive of Luke at all during their relationship.

I don't understand. You're saying that there needs to be continuity in a character's POV and motivation, and I think that Peggin has demonstrated admirably that Noah had incredible consistency in his POV and motivation: Luke is wrong, Luke is wrong, Luke is wrong. I think that the only inconsistency with regards to what the writers gave us is between what they GAVE us and what they TOLD us about the character. They consistently gave us a douche, and he was always a douche. Interviews and articles about the characters, though, as well as the opinion of the other characters about Noah, all seemed to indicate that he was supposed to be a great guy. So, in a way, I don't blame the writers for this. I might blame ( ... )

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought jhurley December 9 2010, 21:38:43 UTC

So, it's odd. I don't think the writers fucked up. I think they did something pretty remarkable in making this relationship incredibly consistent throughout the time it was on the air, but it was definitely a huge mind-fuck, though, from someone because the way the relationship was sold was so incredibly different from what they gave us. The fact that Reid showed up and was everything Noah was not, and then even pointed out what a douche Noah was to Luke, etc, shows that someone knew they were selling us a load of shit.

IAWTC x 10000000000000 especially the last sentence.

Re: I really wonder what Van and Jake thought smittle December 10 2010, 06:28:40 UTC

I think that the only inconsistency with regards to what the writers gave us is between what they GAVE us and what they TOLD us about the character. They consistently gave us a douche, and he was always a douche. Interviews and articles about the characters, though, as well as the opinion of the other characters about Noah, all seemed to indicate that he was supposed to be a great guy. So, in a way, I don't blame the writers for this. I might blame the publicity people. But, in every other way, I think they gave us an incredible portrait of an abusive relationship. Abusive relationships aren't always dun-dun-DUN music, and physical beatings, and your friends and family thinking the person is bad for you. Sometimes abusive relationships are just.like.this. No one knows, not even the people in it, how sick their situation is, until they break free. Brilliant! Regardless of the intent of the writers which we'll never know anyway) you're right that the portrait they gave us of a very unhealthy relationship was really insightful. Without ( ... )

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