They are just so effing adorable! I can't even. No matter how many times I've seen these scenes, they never fail to make my stomach all fluttery. (Perhaps I need some antibiotics? They work for everything in Oakdale!)
I still can't believe this is the douchebag who deserved his HEA at Luke and Reid's expense.
I know. I really try not to get all rageful and just let it go (SINCE REID IS ALIVE AND WELL, LA, LA, LA!), but sometimes it's hard! Chris was such a terrible character. If he hadn't been so concerned with getting into Katie's pants and then getting the CoS position just to spite Reid, he would have sought medical treatment long before it got to the point it did. He was completely responsible for needing a new heart. Yet the audience was supposed to root for his man. Unbelievable.
Nnnnngh. I love how Luke's thumb brushes across Reid's ear, and then his hands brush down his shoulders, and then Luke totally eye sexes the hell out of Reid at the end there, asfklj!!
I'm sorry, were you saying something? Guuuuuuh.
Stupid Reid is a stupid man about it though, and pulls his own douchey move, declining Luke's offer and being all, "You wanted to wait. You got your wish."
Sigh. Reid really is an ass here. I love the man dearly, and I get why he was upset, but petulant dickishness is not called for. I'm sure he apologized the next day. :)
Also, I feel like Luke shouldn't be offering to have sex to smooth things over. Maybe that wasn't his intent, and he was just suddenly ready, but I dunno. I think that at least part of his motivation was to fix things between them.
They are so freaking adorbs here, they're killing me. Luke doing origami? IDEK but I love it!
Perhaps I need some antibiotics? They work for everything in Oakdale!
Hee! :D
I share your rage on the Chris s/line. :| :| :|
Also, I feel like Luke shouldn't be offering to have sex to smooth things over. Maybe that wasn't his intent, and he was just suddenly ready, but I dunno. I think that at least part of his motivation was to fix things between them.
I don't think Luke offered sex to smooth things over. I think he was ready and planning it even before their date, and despite the date going badly, he still wanted to do it because he was ready and y'know, Reid is scorching hot. But I think I'm in the minority on this one! That's okay!
I don't think Luke offered sex to smooth things over. I think he was ready and planning it even before their date, and despite the date going badly, he still wanted to do it because he was ready and y'know, Reid is scorching hot. But I think I'm in the minority on this one! That's okay!
No, I completely agree. I think he decided to have sex with him after the kiss, and despite the date going poorly, he hadn't changed his mind.
Yes! I really don't think Victorian romance heroine Luke Snyder (that's his official title JSYK) wanted his first time with Reid to be smooth over post-fight sex.
We agree as always. Except for all those times when we totally disagree. :P
Also, I feel like Luke shouldn't be offering to have sex to smooth things over. Maybe that wasn't his intent, and he was just suddenly ready, but I dunno. I think that at least part of his motivation was to fix things between them.
I mostly agree with _alicesprings and rhiannonhero in that I don't think it was about smoothing things over; I think he really was feeling very ready at that moment and that he had probably already decided he was ready to have sex with Reid that night after that "pretty great" PDA kiss at the hospital.
Not that he necessarily should have felt that way. I think for most people, the way Reid was so distant and rude and not at all a good date the rest of the night might have made them change their minds and think, okay, maybe not tonight after all. But for Luke? I think Reid's behavior that night was actually a turn on, that it made him want Reid even more than he'd wanted him before.
It's all part of the mile-wide masochistic streak I am convinced Luke has. In the same way that I think Luke's been having fantasies about hot guys tying him up and spanking the hell out of him for as long as he's been having sexual fantasies at all. And in the same way I really do think that Noah being an emotionally abusive douchebag was actually one of the things that drew Luke to him, rather than driving Luke away as it should have. I just really think there is a very big, and not terribly healthy, part of Luke that feels like he deserves to be treated like crap and finds being treated that way an incredible turn-on.
I think for most people, the way Reid was so distant and rude and not at all a good date the rest of the night might have made them change their minds and think, okay, maybe not tonight after all. But for Luke? I think Reid's behavior that night was actually a turn on, that it made him want Reid even more than he'd wanted him before.
Sadly, I think this may be because it reminded him of his relationship with He Who Shall Not Be Named.
Yet the audience was supposed to root for his man. Unbelievable.
I feel the rage coming again. I think there was a part of me that could possibly have accepted and even enjoyed the way the story went (you know, ending with that AU nightmare of Luke's and all) if it wasn't for the lame-o justifications the master!douche writers tried to feed us. Katie, the "sweetheart" of the show, needed to be happy - and could only do that by forcing herself to fall in love with someone with whom she had no chemistry and who was pressuring her before she was ready two minutes after he appeared onscreen while lying to her about a potentially fatal medical condition. Chris, a legacy character, couldn't die! That would be horrible for his family, who already had to suffer one death! Because Luke isn't a legacy character or a sweetheart and so certainly doesn't deserve a happy ending. (Let's not even touch on the fact that neither Chris nor Reid needed to die, and taking attention and focus away from Nancy's death was a dick move.) The noticeable, if supposedly unintentional, gay/straight dichotomy. Fucking Craig Montgomery getting a happy ending. And then there's the cheap-ass way they actually wrote and filmed Reid's death and the various reactions to it too.
GAH GAH RAAAAAAAGE. So, yeah, I cannot appreciate it even from a dark-storytelling perspective. Doesn't matter, of course, because he lived and Luke and him sex it up all over Oakdale.
Yep, yep, yep. We're 100% on the same page! I mean, when Chris said Katie should take her ring off (!) I was like, WTF WHO SAYS THAT??? He was a douche from start to finish.
It wasn't just what they did to Reid, but how they did it and why they did it.
Wow, I think you pretty much covered everything. So I'm just gonna say that I TOTALLY AGREE and I thank you for saving me the time of actually typing out a huge ragey response to Chris' enormous douchey behavior.
OMG! The justifications and excuses given by TIIC!!!! That did make it all so much worse. I don't usually pay too much attention to the creators of shows [except Joss Whedon whose commentaries and interviews I usually love] but I did read a lot of what CG and JP were puttinig out there. And it was just so disheartening to see how little they seemed to care about the very real, hateful message that they were putting out with their storylines. They just seemed so SMUG about everything. Even the non-KillTheGay storylines. So proud of giving the sweetheart of the show a 'happy' ending. So proud of 'helping' Luke grow up. So proud about being 'storyline' driven to the very end of the show. So proud about 'honoring' Nancy's death.
It seems like the only person who did have any sympathy towards the LURE fans who were so discouraged and angry was ESS. I listened to part of some call in show where he really seemed to display empathy with a caller who was just devastated.
The only other time where I remember hating a creator of a show was Torchwood and I haven't rewatched any of the episodes or read any of the fic since COE. The creator just seemed really dismissive of the fans that were upset. [and if you aren't familiar with Torchwood, this makes no sense to you and you can safely ignore this paragraph].
I still can't believe this is the douchebag who deserved his HEA at Luke and Reid's expense.
I know. I really try not to get all rageful and just let it go (SINCE REID IS ALIVE AND WELL, LA, LA, LA!), but sometimes it's hard! Chris was such a terrible character. If he hadn't been so concerned with getting into Katie's pants and then getting the CoS position just to spite Reid, he would have sought medical treatment long before it got to the point it did. He was completely responsible for needing a new heart. Yet the audience was supposed to root for his man. Unbelievable.
Nnnnngh. I love how Luke's thumb brushes across Reid's ear, and then his hands brush down his shoulders, and then Luke totally eye sexes the hell out of Reid at the end there, asfklj!!
I'm sorry, were you saying something? Guuuuuuh.
Stupid Reid is a stupid man about it though, and pulls his own douchey move, declining Luke's offer and being all, "You wanted to wait. You got your wish."
Sigh. Reid really is an ass here. I love the man dearly, and I get why he was upset, but petulant dickishness is not called for. I'm sure he apologized the next day. :)
Also, I feel like Luke shouldn't be offering to have sex to smooth things over. Maybe that wasn't his intent, and he was just suddenly ready, but I dunno. I think that at least part of his motivation was to fix things between them.
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Perhaps I need some antibiotics? They work for everything in Oakdale!
Hee! :D
I share your rage on the Chris s/line. :| :| :|
Also, I feel like Luke shouldn't be offering to have sex to smooth things over. Maybe that wasn't his intent, and he was just suddenly ready, but I dunno. I think that at least part of his motivation was to fix things between them.
I don't think Luke offered sex to smooth things over. I think he was ready and planning it even before their date, and despite the date going badly, he still wanted to do it because he was ready and y'know, Reid is scorching hot. But I think I'm in the minority on this one! That's okay!
Thanks, bb!
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No, I completely agree. I think he decided to have sex with him after the kiss, and despite the date going poorly, he hadn't changed his mind.
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We agree as always. Except for all those times when we totally disagree. :P
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I mostly agree with _alicesprings and rhiannonhero in that I don't think it was about smoothing things over; I think he really was feeling very ready at that moment and that he had probably already decided he was ready to have sex with Reid that night after that "pretty great" PDA kiss at the hospital.
Not that he necessarily should have felt that way. I think for most people, the way Reid was so distant and rude and not at all a good date the rest of the night might have made them change their minds and think, okay, maybe not tonight after all. But for Luke? I think Reid's behavior that night was actually a turn on, that it made him want Reid even more than he'd wanted him before.
It's all part of the mile-wide masochistic streak I am convinced Luke has. In the same way that I think Luke's been having fantasies about hot guys tying him up and spanking the hell out of him for as long as he's been having sexual fantasies at all. And in the same way I really do think that Noah being an emotionally abusive douchebag was actually one of the things that drew Luke to him, rather than driving Luke away as it should have. I just really think there is a very big, and not terribly healthy, part of Luke that feels like he deserves to be treated like crap and finds being treated that way an incredible turn-on.
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Sadly, I think this may be because it reminded him of his relationship with He Who Shall Not Be Named.
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I feel the rage coming again. I think there was a part of me that could possibly have accepted and even enjoyed the way the story went (you know, ending with that AU nightmare of Luke's and all) if it wasn't for the lame-o justifications the master!douche writers tried to feed us. Katie, the "sweetheart" of the show, needed to be happy - and could only do that by forcing herself to fall in love with someone with whom she had no chemistry and who was pressuring her before she was ready two minutes after he appeared onscreen while lying to her about a potentially fatal medical condition. Chris, a legacy character, couldn't die! That would be horrible for his family, who already had to suffer one death! Because Luke isn't a legacy character or a sweetheart and so certainly doesn't deserve a happy ending. (Let's not even touch on the fact that neither Chris nor Reid needed to die, and taking attention and focus away from Nancy's death was a dick move.) The noticeable, if supposedly unintentional, gay/straight dichotomy. Fucking Craig Montgomery getting a happy ending. And then there's the cheap-ass way they actually wrote and filmed Reid's death and the various reactions to it too.
GAH GAH RAAAAAAAGE. So, yeah, I cannot appreciate it even from a dark-storytelling perspective. Doesn't matter, of course, because he lived and Luke and him sex it up all over Oakdale.
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The rage is giving me bad grammar.
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It wasn't just what they did to Reid, but how they did it and why they did it.
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It seems like the only person who did have any sympathy towards the LURE fans who were so discouraged and angry was ESS. I listened to part of some call in show where he really seemed to display empathy with a caller who was just devastated.
The only other time where I remember hating a creator of a show was Torchwood and I haven't rewatched any of the episodes or read any of the fic since COE. The creator just seemed really dismissive of the fans that were upset. [and if you aren't familiar with Torchwood, this makes no sense to you and you can safely ignore this paragraph].
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