Is he implying that Kara was given any sort of free will? Um, well, fine, I think we read this show differently.
Yeah :( One of the most distressing things for me about Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny was the fact I felt she was completely lacking in free will, especially post-maelstrom :(
I felt she was completely lacking in free will, especially post-maelstrom
Just a question (since I'm pretty sure I see that part completely different than most). Is it REALLY Kara post-Maelstrom? Or is it something else? I would love to hear your opinion.
Maelstrom, for me, is my line in the sand, BTW. (Obvious reasons.)
My take is (I think) that post-Maelstrom Kara both was and wasn't Kara. She clearly died and became something else - unless I ignore Maelstrom onwards there is no possible way I can handwave what happened in canon to be anything other than the fact she died and came back as something not human, but...
What came back was Kara - it was everything that made Kara herself. It was her thoughts, feelings, memories, reactions, instincts. It was her essence. But she also wasn't really herself, which really makes whatever was done to her by whatever deity pretty damn cruel, because it was Kara's essence but messed up so even though she was her she couldn't be - wasn't - herself.
I hope that makes some sort of sense. It's a fairly jumbled explanation.
Aw... I like this explanation. Mine is far less optimistic. It's essentially that it isn't actually Kara that comes back. Call it an 'angel' call it a 'gollum', but when she disappeared in the field, it basically reminded me that she wasn't Kara, because I don't think there's any way she would actually leave all the people she loved (barring Sam who was already gone) to simply... disappear.
Sorry, C. That's what I got from the ending. :( Up until that point I really hoped... DESPERATELY that there was a reason and there wasn't. Having said all of that, I do love hearing everyone else's thoughts too. I just wish I believed them in the same way. *sigh*
but when she disappeared in the field, it basically reminded me that she wasn't Kara, because I don't think there's any way she would actually leave all the people she loved (barring Sam who was already gone) to simply... disappear.
See, my take is that Kara wouldn't leave the people she loved like that - but she didn't have any choice because although it was Kara's essence she no longer had control over her body, because it wasn't hers to control. I quite like winegums theory (I think it's hers anyway) - that Katee's acting shows Kara as not wanting to leave in that moment, but saying the things that might make her leaving a bit easier for Lee. Looking at it that way is the only way I can live at all with what happened at the end.
Katee's acting shows Kara as not wanting to leave in that moment, but saying the things that might make her leaving a bit easier for Lee. Looking at it that way is the only way I can live at all with what happened at the end.
THIS! My take on Kara, exactly. If not, why bother with all the 'closure' bits with her dad & others. It would make zero sense (well, less considering how little made sense in S4).
I'll always believe it was Kara in all the ways that mattered, just like Lee did.
Especially this: There was no shitty retconning of that plot, there was no attempt to deny her agency or free will
o_O I am baffled. Is he implying that Kara was given any sort of free will? Um, well, fine, I think we read this show differently.
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Yeah :( One of the most distressing things for me about Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny was the fact I felt she was completely lacking in free will, especially post-maelstrom :(
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Just a question (since I'm pretty sure I see that part completely different than most). Is it REALLY Kara post-Maelstrom? Or is it something else? I would love to hear your opinion.
Maelstrom, for me, is my line in the sand, BTW. (Obvious reasons.)
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My take is (I think) that post-Maelstrom Kara both was and wasn't Kara. She clearly died and became something else - unless I ignore Maelstrom onwards there is no possible way I can handwave what happened in canon to be anything other than the fact she died and came back as something not human, but...
What came back was Kara - it was everything that made Kara herself. It was her thoughts, feelings, memories, reactions, instincts. It was her essence. But she also wasn't really herself, which really makes whatever was done to her by whatever deity pretty damn cruel, because it was Kara's essence but messed up so even though she was her she couldn't be - wasn't - herself.
I hope that makes some sort of sense. It's a fairly jumbled explanation.
What's your take? :)
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See? It's much sadder than yours. Sorry! :(
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And angry as hell at the unfairness of it all.
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Sorry, C. That's what I got from the ending. :( Up until that point I really hoped... DESPERATELY that there was a reason and there wasn't. Having said all of that, I do love hearing everyone else's thoughts too. I just wish I believed them in the same way. *sigh*
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See, my take is that Kara wouldn't leave the people she loved like that - but she didn't have any choice because although it was Kara's essence she no longer had control over her body, because it wasn't hers to control. I quite like winegums theory (I think it's hers anyway) - that Katee's acting shows Kara as not wanting to leave in that moment, but saying the things that might make her leaving a bit easier for Lee. Looking at it that way is the only way I can live at all with what happened at the end.
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That is a lovely way to take hope. *hugs this* :)
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I'll always believe it was Kara in all the ways that mattered, just like Lee did.
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So making her go poof after she's done with a task that SHE HAD TO KILL HERSELF TO PREPARE FOR is not a denial of her free will?
Fuck everyone.
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