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callmeonetrack December 1 2011, 12:49:30 UTC
the last time I’d see Starbuck and Lee ... awkwardly flirt with one another

immediately felt so goddamn satisfied by that image of Lee standing amongst the green, waving grass blades in the field.

There was no shitty retconning of that plot, there was no attempt to deny her agency or free will


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scifishipper December 1 2011, 12:59:39 UTC
*NODS*

Really?? *heart breaking into millions of tiny pieces*

Feh.

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workerbee73 December 1 2011, 14:41:45 UTC
EXACTLY.

I'm like.... "Um, Mark? Were we watching the same show?"

**CRICKETS**

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callmeonetrack December 1 2011, 14:43:55 UTC
To be honest, I haven't really liked many of Mark's reviews. Too rose-colored glasses, drinking the show's kool-aid to jive with my own take on it.

I do like his praise for Katee though.

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workerbee73 December 1 2011, 14:45:56 UTC
Eh, everyone comes at it differently. He wasn't drinking the shippy koolaid, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I feel like he hasn't had enough time to really digest and appreciate the Big Damn Ideas (if he did, he wouldn't have come up with that review of the ending.)

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callmeonetrack December 1 2011, 14:55:43 UTC
Actually he was a pretty big shipper of Adama/Roslin, which is fine, but there wasn't much critical thought (IMO) of if the ending fit the show's narrative. He just kind of was so blown away by every single episode that it was all capslock of joy no matter what the show served up.

Which is also fine, but not interesting to me to read because I have such a wildly different view of it.

I do want to think that's true about not having had time to digest or process. But then again there are other brand-new watchers who devour it on DVD and still end up hating the finale, etc. I think there are plenty of valid reasons to dislike the ending, regardless of who you ship, but shippy preference does seem to have a big hand in whether or not you're happy with the ending. If your primary OTP got a fairly nice or even meaningful but sad ending, those folks seem to be okay with it mostly.

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workerbee73 December 1 2011, 15:03:39 UTC
shippy preference does seem to have a big hand in whether or not you're happy with the ending. If your primary OTP got a fairly nice or even meaningful but sad ending, those folks seem to be okay with it mostly.

I think you're right and it also goes back to your level of investment in said ship. I was totally fine with LOST's finale for example, b/c all the folks I liked eneded up sitting next to the right peeps in the church pew, but I wasn't that heavily invested in those characters/ships or in the mythology. And I think if I had been, I would have been a lot more upset. So I think some of it goes back to investment level and some of it goes back to getting an ending that you wanted.

(and then of course there's that tiny matter of telling a good story, but who gives a crap about that? *g*)

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winegums December 1 2011, 22:20:40 UTC
But he does that a lot, so I am really not surprised by this. He goes into things expecting to like them all the way through, and usually does, even if he does have criticisms to make along the way. Which is fine and dandy, and in this case not at all unexpected considering he liked Mockingjay.

But yes, I am glad he appreciated Katee the way she should have been.

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callmeonetrack December 1 2011, 22:24:38 UTC
Mockingjay. SAY NO MORE. ;) Hee.

I haven't really read his stuff ever before. He's very excitable so I see why people like to read his take on it. I prefer a lot more snark with my reviews. Especially on stuff that I love ;)

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winegums December 1 2011, 22:39:26 UTC
I really enjoyed his Harry Potter reviews, though that was a different experience altogether. He went from snarker to fanboy in exactly five chapters :)

The way he usually reacts to things is, like I said, from a fanboy perspective - more like an expected fanboy perspective, since he's going through things for the first time. I suppose in the end I'm glad he liked the show. If someone can think themselves into being satisfied with the ending, then that's one less unhappy fan, and....good for him.

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witherwings December 2 2011, 08:40:39 UTC
I really enjoyed his Harry Potter reviews, though that was a different experience altogether. He went from snarker to fanboy in exactly five chapters :)

I suspect that he started with the snark on Harry Potter because he was coming from Twilight, and that truly made his brain hurt, but everything he's read and seen since he's loved, so he starts in a much more positive frame of mind :)

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cosetteferaud December 1 2011, 22:29:03 UTC
and in this case not at all unexpected considering he liked Mockingjay.

For some reason, this totally cracked me up :P

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winegums December 1 2011, 22:41:10 UTC
Honestly, Daybreak for me STILL >>> Mockingjay. On all levels, including emotionally.

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winegums December 1 2011, 22:27:18 UTC
Considering he reviewed the hallway scene in Islanded like Kara's attempt to tell Lee about finding her own dead body in SAGN hadn't happened, YES MARK I THINK YOU MISSED SOME ANVILS, and trust me this show drops BIG ONES.

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winegums December 1 2011, 22:52:38 UTC
I'm fine with him not approving of Lee and Kara's actions especially considering he was pretty much ship-neutral (apart from Roslin/Adama), and different people have different reactions to the finale. But I still do have a big side-eye for the "there was no retconning/attempt to deny her free will" line, because really?

I'm curious to see what he thinks of Kara's death/resurrection plotline after he's been through Buffy, which despite its flaws executed that part of its story better.

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