Excuse my swimming against the flow
I can´t help it. I tried. I watch Supernatural, I chat with wonderful people about it, I collect pictures and fanart of Dean and open myself up to his pain and despair and the Wincest altogether. And I like it, I like it more than I thought I might
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And please, by all means, delve!!! I LOVE stuff like that. I mean, I can go "he is sooooo handsome!" all day, but that´s not all there is. What I enjoyed so much in the Heroes-community were the theories and speculations. So I would love to have that with you on SPN!
I looked around a bit (gosh, people are really spamming the SPN-sites with entries!), and I found it: "Question: The synopsis for the Oct. 29 episode of Supernatural says that one of the boys faces a truth about himself that sends the other brother reeling. Any insight on which brother is “facing a truth” and which brother is sent “reeling”? -Kat
Ausiello: Sam is facing the truth; Dean is reeling."
That fits the theory of Sam having no soul anymore- which I haven´t heard before, and I find it shocking! But it´s a good one, because it would explain how Sam can be so detached, so cold towards Dean´s needs and expectations. He is still polite (like asking Dean how dumping his girlfriend has been), but that´s not heartfelt but conventional. Woah, that really gives me the creeps! I thought that Lucifer is still somehow in him, ruling him, but maybe Sam got out of Hell by giving his soul away for real.
Which would correspond to Bobby´s story- he wants his sould back from Crowley...
...and can Dean deal with a soulless brother?! Of course he will do anything to save him, but how much more can he take? Where does he find the strength (here we go again) to go on? Everything he believed in went to hell literally), so what is his motivation?! Lisa and Ben?!
And I don´t believe Cas took Dean because he stood nearer (I wondered that same thing, too)- I thought that there might be still something demonic in Sam´s blood, but now with the no-soul-theory (NST from now on, okay?)... Cas knows more than he lets on.
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Oooh, how I've missed exchanging theories! I used to go mad with spinning theories over Lost...
Sam and the NST. Seriously, he always reprimanded Dean for whoring around and then we see him paying a prostitute and treating her so aloof? Eek. By the way, the way she was fishing for information, I immediately thought she's a demon or something...
Dean will always do anything, I believe. I don't think that it's just Ben and Lisa ... maybe he's more of a believer than he himself realizes. Which would also explain 5x17 episode 99 Problems - only a believer was able to kill that thing and he did it. It would also sort of explain why he and Cas share that special kind of bond or whatever. *lol*
When Cas got his feathery ass down there, I couldn't help but think that either Sam hadn't prayed at all or, if we go with the NST, his prayers couldn't be heard up there at all. I thought Cas acted a little surpised, but he played it down well...
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That girl in Sam´s bathroom- do you remember when Dean came back from hell and Sam was with that other woman, how Dean remarked on that and Sam said indignantly: "I don´t pay for that!" (or something similar)? Well... he does now. So, another change.
I am actually glad that Dean never got prostitutes. He lured some women (and then some) into his bed who did that on free will- and that makes some difference to me. I would feel pity for Dean somehow had it been otherwise, and I should feel pity for Sam now, but I don´t, because it´s just so fitting! Sam has no feelings involved, he had to release himself obviously and made it clear that it was business (as opposed to relationship, if only for one night) by choosing this prostitute, not some random chick who would have been glad to join him (with THAT body I might even consider offering myself!!!). The more I think about the tiny pieces, the more the NST becomes palpable.
Do you think Sam knows about his missing soul? I´m not sure. Because he seemed really hurt when Cas showed up on Dean´s account, so I guess he might have prayed- and nothing happened because it takes a soul to connect with God. (I talked to my hubby about it, and he asked the good question what a soul is in the SPN-universe, because they are always selling it, getting it back and so on and so forth. I can answer the question in RL, but SPN?!) But when Dean asked him what was going on in the end of the latest episode he said everything was alright (Yeeeees, Sam, peachy, we know...), but there was something he kept to himself. So maybe he knows- or only suspects it? Because if being without a soul means having no feelings, Sam couldn´t miss his old self- he might remember it in his brain, but not in his heart (as the seat of feelings).
Und weißt Du, was ich am witzigsten finde? Dass wir zwei Deutschen hier auf Englisch diskutieren. Ich liebe LJ.
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Well, that other woman was Ruby, we just didn't know it back then... ;)
Soul business is a central term in SPn world. First it was cross roads demons making deals and now with the boy apparently angels can do deals too.
Maybe Sam feels relieved for a change that he doesn't have to feel tormented by the past and what he did ... but I freely admit that I prefer an angst-stricken, angry Sam to this indifferent one.
Oh, Englisch, die Liebe meines Lebens... Ich versinke automatisch in der Sprache, wo immer ich kann. Automatismus, denke ich. XD
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When Sam banged Ruby first, she wasn´t Ruby then, right? Ruby only used that girl´s body later? I really need to rewatch the season, I feel like so many details escaped my brooding brain!
I really hate the idea of angels dealing with souls! SPN didn´t quite present me with my idea of angels anyway, but THAT is so far off the reservation... (...does that remind me of something?!) Angels shouldn´t act like demons; they are other beings and have other possibilities. But I´ll wait and see to what end that leads us.
And as for the angst-stricken, angry Sam: Amen to that!!!! I loved Sam for his empathy, for his ability to connect with people and make them feel at ease. He could sympathize so easily, and the world just needs people like that. And now... I feel sad over him sometimes, as if I lost something precious. And I am so, so sorry for dean. That man will never be at peace, not even in his death. (I would be unable to live with such a prospect, really. Do you believe in heaven and hell?)
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As for Ruby - we didn't know, but I think the flashbacks later revealed that Sam already knew who she was.
Misha would maybe fit my idea of an angel, but certainly not Urios or Gabriel... I can't wrap my mind around teh fact that angels are portrayed negatively here - what happened to the angelic winged creatures acting as your guardian? Yeah, I know, classic imaging.
I may not exactly believe in the hell depicted in SPN and that fiery chasm, but I do believe that every human being has his own personal hell and goes there even during his lifetime...
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