Memoriam Speculation

Nov 11, 2008 11:15


Having watched the promo for Memoriam about a squillion times, in the spirt of true procrastination, I am going to give my theory on what is going to happen. Mainly so afterwards, people can point and laugh and say "You thought what??? Ha ha, you suck!"

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matociquala November 11 2008, 14:27:06 UTC
I'm totally positive Uncle Daniel is there for a reason. And I would not be surprised if somebody did kill him, actually, but I also wouldn't be surprised if something else happened.

Killing himself feels a little too tidy for Criminal Minds, but you never know....

The thing is, I would imagine Reid's parents turning Uncle Daniel in, rather than taking it into their own hands. OTOH, a resourceful kid--

*g*

(No, I'm not seriously advancing that theory.)

(eee!)

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nebula99 November 11 2008, 14:37:39 UTC
I'm totally positive Uncle Daniel is there for a reason. And I would not be surprised if somebody did kill him, actually, but I also wouldn't be surprised if something else happened.

Killing himself feels a little too tidy for Criminal Minds, but you never know....

If only there wasn't the molestation element, this would all be so much easier. I guess that could be a red herring also - Riley was molested at home and killed by somebody completely different.

A plus point for Uncle Dan killing himself is that he could be Diana's brother and have similar mental health problems. And having a parent and an uncle with schizophrenia is going to weigh heavy on Reid's mind and it would be perfectly plausible for him to be unaware of it - they know how much he worries anyway.

The thing is, I would imagine Reid's parents turning Uncle Daniel in, rather than taking it into their own hands. OTOH, a resourceful kid--*hee* I can't see Vigilante!Family!Reid either. Resourceful kid, however ( ... )

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matociquala November 11 2008, 14:44:18 UTC
A plus point for Uncle Dan killing himself is that he could be Diana's brother and have similar mental health problems. And having a parent and an uncle with schizophrenia is going to weigh heavy on Reid's mind and it would be perfectly plausible for him to be unaware of it - they know how much he worries anyway.

Indeed. It's also a plus point for Uncle Dan potentially being the killer.

I suspect they won't go for Reid as sexual-abuse-survivor. For one thing, they have done that plotline already, and two is a bit much. OTOH, if Riley was six and Spencer was four, Spencer might have been too young for the offender's preference. For now.

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nebula99 November 11 2008, 14:51:13 UTC
Yep, I don't think Reid was abused as a child - I agree with you that they've already been there.

OTOH, if Riley was six and Spencer was four, Spencer might have been too young for the offender's preference. For now.

Ooh, that makes sense.

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jujuberry136 November 11 2008, 18:12:14 UTC
Interesting speculation. I am in total agreement with you on ignoring the promos--they're usually wrong, or at the very least misleading. Plus? Where would the dramatic tension be if the promos gave us everything?

I'm also not sure how much of a red herring this dream is. Of course, it's extremely possible that Reid discovered Riley's body in a basement, but what if Morgan is right and Reid had read about it in the paper and had an active imagination? What if the whole dream is a set up for the team to solve Riley's murder and Reid to solve some Daddy issues?

Or maybe his dad's a bigger creep than I thought.

Why isn't it Wednesday yet?!?!?

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nebula99 November 11 2008, 20:13:44 UTC
Hmm, the dream being a complete red herring would be an interesting way to go. I think it's likely that Reid is projecting his feelings about his father and it's about time he dealt with some of those Daddy issues.

(at least you get it on Wednesday. *g*)

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thezonefic November 11 2008, 18:28:21 UTC
Sounds interesting, I haven't seen any promos, but sounds good and I can't wait to see the show. I have to agree with you that I can't see Spencer or his mother having killed anyone. I still don't think his father is a murderer either, it would be too much of a cliche. But I do think that there is a great deal of interesting things (and not necessarily good) in Spencer's past. Having been not only been traumatized by his mother's illness, his father's exit from his life, but a horrific crime committed by an uncle would really top it.

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nebula99 November 11 2008, 20:14:38 UTC
Poor Reid. *sigh* He's not had an easy life, has he?

If you go to criminalxminds, the promo is on there.

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thezonefic November 11 2008, 22:31:13 UTC
Hmmm, thanks I'll have to go have a look.

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thezonefic November 11 2008, 22:35:00 UTC
OMG, just saw it, even taken out of context.......crap it should be one hell of a show.

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calanthe_b November 11 2008, 23:42:36 UTC
Interesting...

I have a theory based almost entirely on a spoiler photo I saw on the CMF blog. It implies that Reid's father was a lawyer: I think he was involved in the case (whether as prosecutor or as defender), and that's how young Spencer became aware of it. I may be projecting, but I remember how aware I was of the Louise Bell case, and how I reacted to it, when I was a few years older than Reid was at that point...that kind of thing can really lodge in a child's mind.

As you say, the CM ads are masterpieces of misdirection salted through with the occasional flat-out lie. Fr'instance, the one currently airing here for 'Catching Out' implies that Reid's 'Doesn't that freak you out?' line refers directly to the 'Goldilocks' aspects of the case..!

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parisntripfan November 12 2008, 04:22:16 UTC
Interesting idea.

I myself have been wondering if the body in Reid's dream is really Riley. This is a dream/nightmare we are talking about - not a memory. We have yet to see the upper part of the body - all we see are legs and the shoes. In the first nightmare we see Emily just says it is "him". I'm thinking that - at least in the dream - it is little Spencer Reid that is lying there and the dream is about the "death" of his innocent. But what I couldn't figure out is why Reid's nightmares were accurate. Finding the crime scenes photo - that could help.

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nebula99 November 12 2008, 17:27:04 UTC
That's a good point. The child in the dream could be a symbol for Reid himself.

This is so fascinating and frustrating! Gah, I can't wait to see this.

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Problem is calanthe_b November 12 2008, 04:32:26 UTC
William wasn't a lawyer yet.

I was thinking that too, at first, but if you look at the picture, it shows that William got his license to practice law in Nevada in May of 1989. Unless they are totally messing with the timeline (which is possible - they like to do that), that means William wasn't yet practicing law in 1985/6 - which is when Spencer would have been 4.

-Mickle

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I concur anonymous November 12 2008, 04:25:41 UTC
re: William Reid not being a murdering pedophile.

Not just because I would hate it and bc promos (which are made by different people than the people the make the show) love to lie.

But also because William doing that, and then staying with Diana and Reid for another 4 or 6 years makes no sense. It makes little sense that daddy dearest would do so; it makes even less sense that Reid - eidetic memory Reid - would be completely repressing memories that occurred only a few years before he graduated from high school.

Also - I love the theory about Uncle Daniel!

It also provides a neat explanation for what was bugging me about William and Diana fighting about moving: It seems pretty clear that mom was already not well at this point - in fact, that she had been off her meds since pregnancy. So while I can see the two of them fighting about moving, I can't see Diana convincing William that they had to move. She would also have a very hard time strong-arming him into doing it, what with needing him to deal with all the practical stuff ( ... )

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Re: I concur buffyaddict13 November 12 2008, 16:32:56 UTC
AND we know that morgan was sexually abused. i really don't want them to go there with reid and his dad as well. imo, that would lessen the impact of what happened to morgan.

However, I can totally see William and Diana fighting about Uncle pedophile - but largely in code that little Spencer, as precocious as he was, wouldn't understand- and then William finally agreeing about Uncle pedophile and the move after they find a dead boy.

yes. THIS.

*waits impatiently for tonight*

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Re: I concur nebula99 November 12 2008, 17:30:20 UTC
Reid not fully understanding the arguments makes sense.

I'm hanging on to the idea of Evil!Uncle!Daniel for the time being and I'm sad that I have to wait so damn long to find out!

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