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Fic: Disconnect

Sep 10, 2010 18:11

Title: Disconnect
Word Count: 444
Rated: PG
Setting: DWTB
Characters: Aeryn Sun, Chiana
Summary: Under the seams runs the pain. - Anne Carson

( Disconnect )

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zardi September 11 2010, 02:51:52 UTC

Interesting...you think Aeryn would have expected John and Chiana to get together? I never thought of it that way, that Aeryn would suspect it. But I have wondered whether -- if TJohn had lived and returned to Moya, and Aeryn had remained with him -- if MJohn would have ever given up on Aeryn. Though that would require Aeryn knowingly hurting MJohn, and I don't know if she could do that with both Johns alive and well in front of her.

Anyway. End of ramble. Very interesting fic. I like Aeryn and Chi together :)

olegscape September 11 2010, 12:15:27 UTC

That's one of my favorite places of the fic, and I think that's very Aeryn. Technically, she already hurt MJohn by getting together with TJohn, so had they both returned to Moya he would've been hurt.

I like this moment because she thinks of him, doesn't want him to be alone, and that shows that she thinks she's probably leaving for good.

zardi September 11 2010, 19:02:04 UTC

I like this moment because she thinks of him, doesn't want him to be alone...

True. One of the things I hate most about the TJohn episodes is that I feel like MJohn has been forgotten. I kind of like the idea that Aeryn expected him to get together with Chiana so that he wouldn't be alone.

nebari_rebel September 11 2010, 12:37:22 UTC

Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad you found it interesting (love your thinky-John icon LOL).

Interesting...you think Aeryn would have expected John and Chiana to get together? I never thought of it that way, that Aeryn would suspect it. But I have wondered whether -- if TJohn had lived and returned to Moya, and Aeryn had remained with him -- if MJohn would have ever given up on Aeryn. Though that would require Aeryn knowingly hurting MJohn, and I don't know if she could do that with both Johns alive and well in front of her.It is complicated...I think that once Aeryn made her decision to be with TJ completely - to the point where they were going to run off to earth together, apparently leaving MJ behind without a second glance - she wouldn't have felt she had any claim on MJ, and it probably would have annoyed her if he felt he had a claim on her. TJ was John, her heart, and MJ was something else she didn't really want think about or feel deeply for (hence her running away in DWTB, although I also think that was heavily ( ... )

zardi September 11 2010, 19:26:54 UTC

I don't think I explained myself very well. I guess it was past my bedtime? XD ( ... )

olegscape September 11 2010, 19:56:07 UTC

I disagree that Aeryn would think that if MJonh had slept with Chi he isn’t a real John. “Her” John would’ve done the same thing had he been in that place, and this isn’t about who’s real, it’s about a situation a person finds himself in, and I believe she’d understand it.

As for John Crichton wouldn’t be that thoughtless… he would, if he continued to think the other was a copy and hadn’t any claim to his life. If he didn’t want to share Aeryn, and had no problem with it, why would he want to share Earth? ;)

nebari_rebel September 12 2010, 06:31:27 UTC

We as objective viewers know there is no difference between the Johns, they're both "real" and both would have chosen the same, but Aeryn doesn't - not during DWTB anyway. Otherwise instead of the tortured end of season eps, hangar scene, and her leaving, she would have just been like "Hey baby, glad to see you again, where did we leave off?" To her, at this point, there was a separation and one she wanted to maintain at all costs, even if she knew - especially since she did know deep down - that there wasn't. MJ couldn't be her John because it would be too much for her to mentally cope with.

I think you're sticking on "the real John wouldn't sleep with Chi" but I don't think that's what Zardi meant :)

olegscape September 12 2010, 09:02:49 UTC

I’m not sticking on that. I don’t think she wouldn’t see him as a copy. I think the wreck of DWTB had to do with Aeryn opening up to one John and loosing him, and having another, “stranger” John to whom she didn’t open up and about whom she tried not to think about all that time. Under this circumstances a “Hey baby” would’ve been impossible. She would indeed try to distance herself from him, and she would use any reason, including “he’s a copy”. But I just don’t believe Aeryn would think “He’s a copy because he slept with Chi”, which is what Zardi meant she would think :)

zardi September 13 2010, 02:55:40 UTC

"But I just don’t believe Aeryn would think “He’s a copy because he slept with Chi”, which is what Zardi meant she would think :)"

Not so much "He's a copy because he slept with Chi," but more like "He's not the same John I had on Talyn, not my John, because he is happy with Chiana now, so returning is less confusing for me than it might have been."

IMPORTANT QUALIFIER: I'm viewing this potential John/Chi thing as more of rebound relationship for both, rather than just sex, (possibly NOT what Aeryn in the fic intended) and I think it makes a big difference what type of "thing" John and Chiana had going. If they had been simply "friends with benefits," but John had gone back to pining for Aeryn after her return, then I don't think that would have changed much. Aeryn would still have looked at him, seen the John Crichton she loved, and would have had to run away to deal with her confusion and pain.

"I think the wreck of DWTB had to do with Aeryn opening up to one John and loosing him, and having another, “stranger” John to whom she ( ... )

olegscape September 13 2010, 04:28:00 UTC

Not so much "He's a copy because he slept with Chi," but more like "He's not the same John I had on Talyn, not my John, because he is happy with Chiana now, so returning is less confusing for me than it might have been."

Putting it like this works better for me then “confirmation of TJohn being the “real” John”. I can also see Aeryn seeing Mjohn getting together with Chi as something that would make her getting together with TJohn a less problematic situation. There would be “her” John and “Chi John”, but not “fake” John.

Eh...I disagree that either John was a "stranger" anymore by season 3. They'd already declared their love for each other and shared quite a bit over the years before John was twinned.

When I say “stranger”, I refer to what happened on Talyn. As MJohn well put it, “I missed that dance”. Mjohn didn’t take that step with her, he didn’t have that experience. In that particular aspect he was a stranger.

zardi September 14 2010, 00:08:23 UTC

"I can also see Aeryn seeing Mjohn getting together with Chi as something that would make her getting together with TJohn a less problematic situation. There would be “her” John and “Chi John”, but not “fake” John."

Yes, that's much more like what I was trying to say. Thank you for getting into my head for me ^_^

"When I say “stranger”, I refer to what happened on Talyn. As MJohn well put it, “I missed that dance”"

Ah, ok. I can agree with that. MJohn and Aeryn did have to start over somewhat in that respect.

zardi September 13 2010, 03:06:41 UTC

"As for John Crichton wouldn’t be that thoughtless… he would, if he continued to think the other was a copy and hadn’t any claim to his life. If he didn’t want to share Aeryn, and had no problem with it, why would he want to share Earth? ;)"TJohn didn't express any qualms about being with Aeryn and abandoning MJohn because there wasn't time for them to dwell on it. They were horrendously busy from the time they left Moya to the time TJohn died. John is a logical guy, a scientist, and given the chance to really think about him and his twin, I think both Johns would have realized, at least intellectually, that they were both equal and original. Neither would have been able to abandon the other in the UT's. Their reunion would have been inevitable if TJohn had survived, because Moya and Talyn had every intention of reuniting, and I don't think Aeryn and John would have dreamed of keeping them apart. The Johns being together would have forced them to consider their "realness ( ... )

olegscape September 13 2010, 04:31:50 UTC

TJohn didn't express any qualms about being with Aeryn and abandoning MJohn because there wasn't time for them to dwell on it. They were horrendously busy from the time they left Moya to the time TJohn died.

I disagree about them having no time to think about it. They had a quiet moments too, and it all was happening over a hefty period of time.

Both Johns knew that there was absolutely no way they could share Aeryn, and I believe this was the major reason why they were so determined to label the other as a copy. They had to think like that, because otherwise J/A would indeed be over for both of them. So when the J/A situation started to unravel on Talyn, I believe John did think of the other, but he went with it according to that reasoning. Getting together with Aeryn had solidified him seeing the other as a clone. It’s just difficult to picture him thinking of MJohn as a clone when it comes to Aeryn, and not thinking of him as a clone when it comes to Earth, he would have to be consistent. Would he be so cruel as to not let his ( ... )

zardi September 14 2010, 00:20:07 UTC

I disagree about them having no time to think about it. They had a quiet moments too, and it all was happening over a hefty period of time.

Does it? I guess I have the impression that it happened quickly (like, over a couple of weeks) because I saw all those episodes in one afternoon :D

Would he be so cruel as to not let his clone visit Earth? I don’t think so, probably not.

Yeah...in the end, I have to force myself to believe some good things about TJohn (like "he would never abandon MJohn in the UT's!"), otherwise not only would I dislike him, I wouldn't be able to tolerate his existence. And since he's such a big part of season 3, I can't let that happen :P

Plus, as you say, it would be cruel to prevent either John from visiting Earth, and John Crichton...despite his many faults...is not cruel. I could accept that TJohn would consider MJohn a clone with regards to Earth as well as to Aeryn, but I do think he would have brought him along on a visit anyway.

olegscape September 11 2010, 20:28:22 UTC

I think Aeryn is simply being realistic. They had no obligations to each other at the beginning of season 3 when the split happened, it was "we shouldn't get close, but we can have sex if you want." So she can think about John Crichton getting close with Chi, since this is a situation she left him in.

nebari_rebel September 12 2010, 06:21:20 UTC

I don't think I explained myself very well. I guess it was past my bedtime? XD

I'm fairly sure the fault was mine - I was posting yesterday on little sleep, in between Wii Fit sessions LOL

Thank you for clarifying...and I agree completely. This is very true:

I think that at that point, she blocked MJohn from her conscious thoughts because she wouldn't be able to sleep with TJohn knowing that there was still a John Crichton out there who was missing her. (A defense mechanism, if you will.) I like to think she would have felt guilty if she'd thought about MJohn too much, so she just didn't.

And I like to think that if Aeryn and TJ had gone to earth, it would have been for a visit - and then they would have gone to find MJ and give him the same opportunity.

If I ever really believed that Aeryn could have gone to Earth with TJohn and never thought about MJohn again, I would lose all affection for Aeryn to the point that I couldn't be a J/A shipper anymore. Thankfully, I have yet to find conclusive evidence of this, so my OTP is ( ... )

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