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nclean

More Statistics!

Mar 15, 2009 17:04

Hopefully, not bad statistics this time :P

One of the more gladdening pieces of this sort I've read in recent times:

WHY THE GODS ARE NOT WINNING by Gregory Paul & Phil Zuckerman
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/paul07/paul07_index.html

Excerpts:
A myth is gaining ground... The proposition is that after God died in the secular 20th century, He is ( Read more... )

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Well, there is this also.... bar_barra March 15 2009, 13:22:45 UTC

... what happens when Muslim women learn enough English to be able to read the instructions on a packet of contraceptives????

Re: Well, there is this also.... pezzae March 16 2009, 04:06:38 UTC

I imagine they will be killed in horrible ways if any evidence is found...
You are right that when women get access to and control of contraception that the birth rate drops massively. The quickest way to a better world is supporting women's control over their own lives.
(Sorry, preaching to the converted...)

Preaching to the converted? bar_barra March 16 2009, 14:18:42 UTC

Regrettably so. killed in horrible ways?? Oh yes. I am still trying to bury the memory of some of the details of which I have heard. (You do not want to know.) However, we should not underestimate Muslim women. The tide is turning in their favour, and the only reason this isn't bigger news is that we don't want the Cro-Magnons to think about it too much.... we want the takeover of their repellent culture to come as a surprise to them.

Re: Well, there is this also.... sticky_toffee March 16 2009, 11:55:41 UTC

Contrary to popular belief contraception is not taboo in Islam as many "supposed" preachers say. It's not allowed to have pre-marital sex but married women are under Islam allowed to control their lives and take contraceptive pills. Not many people can afford to have a bazillion amount children and well, every couple should be allowed to decide when they want to have children, or at least try to (accidents do happen... but you know what I mean...) - hence contraception is allowed once their married, cause the idea is that you don't have pre-marital sex, but when you're married there are options provided to counter pregnancy.

Contraception bar_barra March 16 2009, 14:20:50 UTC

Sunnis are allowed it, Shia not. And yet.... birth-rates are plunging in (Shia) Iran. What does that tell us? That the Velvet Revolution on the verge of which this obnoxious government has been teetering may soon come after all.....

Re: Contraception sticky_toffee March 17 2009, 10:49:41 UTC

Yes that is true. Shia's are not allowed it. The Shia population in Bahrain is growing growing largely. I just don't believe that most muslims are impoverished and uneducated. :( That's just ignoramous ( ... )

Re: Contraception bar_barra March 20 2009, 01:52:25 UTC

"Complete democracy isn't always the best way." Indeed, democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried ( ... )

Re: Contraception pezzae March 20 2009, 04:05:30 UTC

Thanks for the Islam perspective Reem, it's good to get some actual info on this! I guess a lot of people in the West have the same mental picture of 'Muslim countries' = places where they stone women to death for the crime of being raped. Which is probably about as accurate and thorough a perception as 'Christian countries' = places where abortion and homosexuality aren't allowed, but pedophilia in the priesthood is ( ... )

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