can't help it live-meta: 3:11: "The Eclipse part 2"

[mystery_sock]

I'm really too tired for this (and I'm coughing so much that I'm missing big chunks of dialogue), but I really just can't sit here and take this without comment. That would go against everything I am.

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[likewinning]

OK, the episode has magically redeemed itself.
I had the SAME thought at the SAME moment. I was really really unimpressed with the episode (aside from the Petrellis, oh man), and then almost everything ELSE turned itself around, just in time for Nathan -

I can't even. I'm trying to revel in the awesome that was Sylar & Elle's last scene (I love Kristen, but COME ON; when was the last time a "Heroes" death was that fab?) because otherwise I'm going to KILL something over Nathan. WHY, SHOW, YOU FINALLY GOT RID OF NATHAN'S CREEPY JESUS LOVE AND NOW YOU'RE MAKING THINGS BAD AGAIN. STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

*sigh* But Pasdar in chains? Um, yeah. *whimper*

[mystery_sock]

WHY, SHOW, YOU FINALLY GOT RID OF NATHAN'S CREEPY JESUS LOVE AND NOW YOU'RE MAKING THINGS BAD AGAIN. STOP IT RIGHT NOW.
YR DOIN IT WRONG SHOW!!! YR DOIN IT WRONG IT DUN GO LIKE DATThat. Is just. Not Nathan. It's just not. Nathan may be crooked and slippery, but he's NOT a fucking despot, and there's no way his thoughts would go there, especially after his recent experiences with Arthur. It just wouldn't happen. The only explanation is that he's fucking with Peter - and why would he do that? Why would Nathan have to persist in fucking with Peter

[likewinning]

In which case Pete's right in the worst way - NATHAN *IS* A PUPPET.
In which case Peter is RIGHT about something, and the world is about to collapse in upon itself. It is. so. stupid. I'm confident enough that the show can bring Nathan BACK from it, as they have before, but it doesn't make me less angry that they KEEP DOING IT TO BEGIN WITH. Stop fucking with Peter&Nathan! We're gonna write fic whether or not you have them playing nice with each other!

I just think of the pretty and it's all OK again.
They know what works! They know, and they don't even stop to think how much wrong they are doing us! I mean, they pretty much perfected it with Peter. PETER, STOP BEING SO STUP - oh. you're taking off your shirt again, are you? Well. All right, then. I guess everything's fine.

[mystery_sock]

We're gonna write fic whether or not you have them playing nice with each other!
With my broken, shattered heart.

And hey, Peter's been right before! He's right about 35% of the time. Give the boy some credit. :D

[blossommorphine]

And then Nathan LOSES HIS FUCKINGMIND and decides that Arthur's idea was right; suddenly he wants to build a droid army - I mean a mutant army - I mean a special army - and WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK. NOT. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS AND HIM FLYING DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY MORE LEGIT. I CALL BULLSHIT! No, no, no, no, no! WHY MUST THEY KILL NATHAN OVER AND OVER AGAIN? WHY? Welcome to my world, dear. T_T Where the characters you love (in my case Sylar and Mohinder) do inexplicable, stupid things and you just want to cry. I just don't understand how the writers could go from such extremes with Nathan and not expect viewers to go, "..wtf?" Is he suppose to be horribly unstable, or just stupid? Which he isn't. So what gives? Also, what is with leaving Peter in the middle of the militia-filled jungle to fend for himself

[mystery_sock]

Welcome to my world, dear. Where the characters you love (in my case Sylar and Mohinder) do inexplicable, stupid things and you just want to cry.
Yeah, karma's a bitch, ain't it? I've been just kind of amusedly shaking my head with all the weird OOC shit going on with Sylar and Mo, and here it is to bite me in the ass with my Nathan. YOU DON'T FUCK WITH NATHAN. They fucked with Peter so severely and suddenly that I just kind of sat there like 0_o and then fanwanked it that Peter's a slutty slutty whore, so of course. Still. Goddammit, still. There's "character complexity", and then there's "consistency FAIL". I guess we know which one we've got.

Whatever. Heroes, you're on notice.

[47_trek_47]

Doooooode, no. What Nathan did there was my FAVORITE thing he's done since he showed up in Kirby Plaza. He's TRYING TO DO WHAT PETER WOULD DO. OMG. He's following his heart. <3 And he's not really JOINING Arthur, he just thinks that Arthur is a means to getting what he thinks is the right thing.

And he's trying to save the world. I love it when Nathan gets all idealistic. <3 <3 <3

It's awesome and I loved it.

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It's awesome and I loved it.
It is? It... is?

*cries*

I just don't see it. I just don't. I guess I'll have to watch it again, but for right now, I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. It might just be dramatic irony, in that I as the viewing audience knows a lot more than what Nathan knows about the situation, but on the other hand, hasn't Nathan been told about it? Hasn't he been informed that in a future where the serum is available - and everyone who wants powers has them - it destroys the entire planet?

If he hasn't been told this essential piece of information, then I take it back - Nathan wants to fix the bad shit that he has PERSONALLY seen (he mentions Rwanda and Bosnia, where he's been) but he's a fucking idiot if he doesn't believe Peter when Pete tells him that Arthur IS GOING TO KILL THEM ALL.

Ah well... maybe it's me who's the fucking idiot. I don't know. I need a hug.

[47_trek_47]

Well, I think Nathan thinks (probably naively) that he can keep things from going the way they say they're going to go... look at it this way: Team Angela thinks they can change the future by stopping Arthur, why shouldn't Nathan think he can change the future by influencing Arthur?

And yeah, I think there is also a hefty dose of dramatic irony.

[eronela]

Yeah, I think Nathan probably thinks he can stop this bad future by influencing Arthur to do things his way.

But one thing, does Nathan know that his father tried to kill him? Has Angela told him? Maybe Hiro will tell him when he gets his memory back and that may change Nathan's mind about working with his father.

[xanatosdecrion]

Your review has DESTROYED me. Laughing at my desk here...uncontrollably giggling with fits. LOL.

He talks a lovely line to a young female fellow prisoner, and I wonder if he's trying to get in her pants even though she's like 11.

Can I tell you I had the EXACT same thought? I was like Ohh Nathan...naughty, naughty, bad, bad...wait, those girls are children! LOL

Bye, Kristen! I looove you! Your check's in the craft services tent, next to the Tawny Cypress memorial salad bar and the Santiago Cabrera art gallery.

Why must you make me laugh to the point of weeping? Seriously. LOL.

Sorry you're not feeling well; get better! I agree with you that the episode for the most part, about 70 percent was BAD BAD BAD and the dialogue...*eye rolls* it was worse, bad than usual. So many things you pointed out; so much. Claire, Nate, Pete going Commando, yeah right...so much that I'm just unwilling to process right now. I look forward to your rewatch of it. I will say this though, there were two good things about this show:

One- Seth Green,

[mystery_sock]

I'm thinking I can handle a droid-army with Natey-Poo at the helm. I mean, why not?

:) Well... mostly because it means that Peter (and Hiro) will have no choice but to stop at nothing to wipe him off the face of the earth before it breaks in half. It could only end with the death of Nathan (like, really for real this time) or a long, painful deprogramming, possibly with the help of Christ Our Lord. And NOBODY wants to see that.

Oh well, whatever. It's just a show; I should really just relax.

Thanks for the get-wells; I feel even worse today. This is apparently the progression of this chest cold. It gets better; it gets worse. It gets better; it gets worse. Repeat for approximately 18-20 days. IT SUCKS AND I ARE UNHAPPY

[xanatosdecrion]

Okay. The Nate situation, I've underestimated. I've been floating some blogs, well one really, and the sentiment is the same where concerns Nathaniel. See the surface-level, shallow-intensity with which I watched the show on last night? But then again, I don't understand Nate like you do...I SHOULD considering I've been in the Ritual school and read all the books and studied and questioned. LOL. I look forward to your re-cap of the re-cap of the re-watch, once you're better. And think this: Echinacea & Goldenseal, Vitamin C flushes and whatnot. :) Green tea :)

[mystery_sock]

I look forward to your re-cap of the re-cap of the re-watch, once you're better.
I do too - at this point it'll be on Sunday afternoon, because I won't have time/mental space until then. (You see how long it's taken me even to come back here to respond to comments - I didn't have time to check on my own LJ much yesterday, instead spending my spare 5 minutes or so watching the Wil Wheaton <3's Greg Grunberg, Greg Grunberg <3's Wil Wheaton (and painter Eric Joyner, who just released a book of paintings that, ahem, I CO-EDITED and would love to pop a copy into Greg's hot sweaty paw) Warren Ellis and Wil Wheaton Are Totally Secretly Hot For Each Other 3-way bromance on Twitter. It's truly inspirational, y'all.

Echinacea & Goldenseal, Vitamin C flushes and whatnot. :) Green tea :)I pooh-pooh echinacea, but I have been doing lots of Vitamin C and eating lots of ginger, both raw and boiled (and in tea) and the occasional codeine cough syrup and valerian to help me sleep, and I am now officially Almost Back To Health (just in time for my

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:)