but I'm like sweet seventeen a lot

[musesfool]

What the hell is going on with gmail? first it was telling me it couldn't connect, then it wouldn't load at all (though iGoogle loaded fine), and now it will only load in html view. WTF

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[extraonions]

I hope you don't mind me weighing in on this even though I'm definitely not your target group (I might be the opposite of your target group?). Just think it's interesting. For myself, I don't particularly like incest, and I don't seek out wincest, though there have certainly been a lot of wincest stories I've read and really enjoyed-- generally it's stories where it's less about the sex and more about the twisted co-dependence Sam and Dean have.

I do like dub/non con in my incest though, in the sense of-- if they were in their right minds, they would never be doing this. But they're messed up and broken and somehow it's lead to this.

I also like threesomes with a non-related third party, which often makes me no longer label it as incest, depending on the level of mutual groping from the related parties.

I definitely agree with you on the power imbalances. I don't necessarily seek out girl!AUs either (See? Not the target group.) but if I were, it would have to be girl!Sam with Dean and not vice versa, and Sam would still have to be the aggressor in the relationship.

I've written two actual wincest stories, one of which was an evil!girl!Sam/Dean. It was a gift fic, and in some ways it was really hard for me to write because of all these issues and hangups about incest, and m/f incest, and I would definitely call it dub con, as both Sam and Dean in the story were so broken and influenced that neither one could be held *completely* accountable for their actions. It was actually interesting to write, because I did a lot of thinking when tackling the prompt about where all my boundaries were, and writing to the very edge of what I was comfortable with.

I don't think I'm any less comfortable/ uncomfortable with m/f incest than I am m/m, though I do think the issue of possible pregnancy does need to be addressed when the situation is m/f.... but I don't find one worse than the other. I do think genderswitch AUs are particularly interesting when they approach the different decisions the characters would make if they were of a different sex-- how they would interact with other canon characters for example.

Thanks for the thinky thoughts!

[musesfool]

For me, for incest to work, there has to be some sense of brokenness/desperation - the "us against the world" thing - but non-con is a HUGE squick of mine, so that I don't read. I mean, there's the passive-aggressive "you would if you really loved me" kind of thing, but that's part of working out the brokenness, I think.

I do think the issue of possible pregnancy does need to be addressed when the situation is m/f.

It's easy enough to write in the condom or have the girl be on the pill, or in River's case, whatever future equivalent is.

[redfiona99]

>>or in River's case, whatever future equivalent is.<<

The theory isn't mine, but you could possibly argue that her brain wasn't the only thing that the government tweaked - would you want your ninja machine to have to rely on space-tampax + changes due to hormones.

[musesfool]

Oh yeah, I've played with that idea, but never brought myself to write it, because it's too sad to think they took that away from her too.