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Aug 19, 2008 21:15

a short list of semi-random things I have been thinking about!

  1. I try really hard not to judge people for liking things I think are badly done (as in written, mostly, or even decently written technically but with characterization I don't buy/like) or which squick me, but I fail. A lot. Even with a constant mantra of YMMV to remind me I shouldn't.
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the warmest and fuzziest, i am okay with that!, incest in fiction

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musesfool August 25 2008, 14:37:47 UTC
because on the show the one thing that DOES clearly belong to Dean and no one else is the car

Well, yes, and no? Have you seen Dead Man's Blood yet? Clearly, the car becomes identified with Dean (see Sam's insistence it be saved in IMToD, even if it has only one working piece), but for Dean I think the car is also a symbol of his father (see the end of ELAC), as well as himself, and also of the life before the fire (they have the car in the pilot, after all, and it's home in a way no place else ever can be).

That car carries the weight of a lot of symbolism. *snerk*

Nathan and Peter don't even seem to me to have that close of a relationship. I've always thought their physical affection was more perfunctory than anything.

Yeah, I don't really see it? I mean, possibly after Nathan's all mangled and guilty over Peter's "death", something could happen? But they never struck me as particularly close in season 1, let alone close enough for things to be really weird and sexual.

"You don't think I had dreams of my own?" It broke my heart a little because I really do think the shapeshifter was telling the truth in that scene, and I can totally see Dean repressing that and not dealing with it.

*nod nod*

I also think it's really clear that Dean's so broken that he can't even really conceive of what his life would be like without hunting - see WIAWSNB. I don't think he would be that kind of obnoxious lout if he'd grown up in a happy two-parent home without hunting, but it's like all he can see of himself without hunting is the drinking and loafing.

while I find the isolation unhealthy, I like it as a narrative element.

Oh, I agree, but there's such a thing as too much isolation. I want them to have the support network of Bobby and Ellen and Missouri and *sigh* Henriksen etc.

At the same time, I like anything that confuses Dean and I think pushing him out of the isolation does that.

Oh, I do, too. Which is one of the things I like about Dean/various women. He's just so *baffled* when he can't slot them neatly into victim/mom/one-night-stand mode. I also love it when women remain uncharmed by him, ala Missouri and Ellen. They like him, but they're not going to put up with his nonsense.

Of course, I also do kind of ship Dean/Ellen, partly because she is one of the few people who really gets what it's like for him re: Sam, and partly because they are very sparky, and he's a little scared of her. And she has her own life so she wouldn't be hanging around waiting for him to call. They would come together and then separate and it would be really hot and fulfilling for both of them.

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