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Nov 16, 2008 09:06

SunNYT -1h15m with two errors and, after an hour, some googling.

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thedan November 16 2008, 18:55:39 UTC
You should post crossword times more often. It makes you seem more human. :)

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nickbaxter November 16 2008, 19:09:55 UTC
How did you guys know about the hidden messages?

I solved online, which had no hints; I'm told that the printed version says nothing either. Will told me to watch the show tonight, but said nothing else. I only stumbled across the in-grid message because there was something similar in another puzzle recently. But I had no clue about the second message until reading this. In retrospect, many of the clues are wonky, and that should have been a hint that something more was up (I'm sure there's a better way to clue ABBA!).

BTW,
SunNYT - 1h35m clean!

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thedan November 16 2008, 19:13:27 UTC
I didn't know about the outside-the-grid message until now. I don't know if it's really that constrained, though the result is the wonkiness Nick mentioned.

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motris November 16 2008, 19:14:36 UTC
Well, not constrained in that it has to be that message, but that is has to be a message. I haven't tried building too many crosswords so maybe I shouldn't speak about the difficulty of doing that.

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thedan November 16 2008, 20:08:30 UTC
(Spoiler alert for anyone reading who hasn't found the outside-the-grid message)

I find that in improv and in puzzles, two constraints is usually accomplishable, whereas more than two becomes a serious issue. In this case, for each clue you need a particular starting letter, and you have a fixed answer. Some of the clues are going to seriously want a particular starting letter ("FOO" certainly wants an E, or possibly a C) but you can build the hidden message around those fixed points and then tweak the other clues to fill in the blanks.

For example, if I wanted to clue VCR (first one I saw when I glanced back at the grid) I could go with:

Accessory for a TV
Beta player
Common TV accessory
DVD player's ancestor
Eject button site
Four-headed object, perhaps

...and so forth. Of course, the clues Merl used read more smoothly in general than mine, but I did mine off the top of my head, and Merl is Merl.

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