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[monkee_madness]

"Defenders of speciesism often argue that humans are superior to other species because of their greater intelligence. Taken to its logical extreme, this argument would imply that humans with higher I.Q. scores should have more rights than humans with lower I.Q. scores."http://www.svar.org

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[imkind]

TO BAMZAM229

[redmondkc]

Thank you for taking the time to tell me what I already mentioned with those links. Very insightful to read the same thing I said. With the exception of crows (and so I don't forget this time, ravens) I already mentioned primates and cetaceans using tools. Cool. Once again. Thanks for doing the research for me

[monkee_madness]

There are better ways! But here is a secret, it isn't the kind you personally eat!! The cheap foods are generally produced the cheapest (read: inhumane) ways. Watch "Earthlings" with me. If you are soo against the horrors, why do you still pay money for it to be done? The problem is that you speak with your dollars, and right now your dollars say that you don't give any kind of species' right arse cheek for farm animals welfare.

I agree that its like trying to get a square block through a round hole, getting a better idea into someone's square and society-conditioned brain is sure tough.

[bamzam229]

First, would you please learn how to stay in a thread

[monkee_madness]

Well that was more than a little rude, like counter helpful. You could have said "Hey friend, you must be new to LJ. Let me tell you a trick. If you want to reply to a comment someone else has already posted, click on the link below said comment that says 'reply to this' and it will then notify them that you have replied after you leave your comment. Otherwise only the journal owner will get the email and it could be lost forever, unanswered. Awesome, glad to meet you :)"

How do you get the idea that you know so much about animals? You haven't ever sat down to communicate with a squirrel to see why they may have chosen that particular nut. Animals are far more intelligent than you give them credit for, it isn't their fault we are too stupid to speak their language.

Chewbacca says a ton. Han Solo knows, but you don't understand a word he said

[bamzam229]

How about this?

Unfriended.

I've had enough of your insults and you complete self-righteousness.

Have a nice life.

[monkee_madness]

You call me the self righteous one when I am the one who cares about other souls beyond myself. I'm not trying to insult you, but to consider the possibility of a preferable alternative to what you are so comfortable with (which only benefits yourself). You don't seem to even consider my points, just quickly discard them.

[bamzam229]

I do consider your points. It's just they aren't reasonable points

[bamzam229]

Well, I am intolerant of your self-righteousness, but that is certainly justifiable.

As for your vegetarianism, go on, keep on keepin on.

[monkee_madness]

No that isn't what it is. You can't say I'm intolerant of your behaviour just because I think differently than you do. If I say "eating animals is wrong" and you say "No it isn't" that's fine, and I am sorry about your lack of compassion. Its the fact that you deny these things happening that is ignorant. You could say yes they happen but I don't give a crap and that would be different than blatantly ignoring fact. Its like you are trying to argue that something isn't wrong because you don't think it really happens.

Scavengers will pick off of something that's already been killed, unlike lions who do hunt.

You have no idea why other people do things unless you listen to them, and you've obviously missed the point. By a longshot.

[bamzam229]

It's the fact that you add "I'm sorry you lack compassion"

Just because I eat meat doesn't mean I lack compassion. This is what I'm talking about with your self-righteousness you talk down to me and others who don't see it your way.

Like I said, lions are more scavengers than hunters, I didn't say they didn't hunt. I just said they were more scavengers than hunters. That doesn't mean they aren't hunters.

[monkee_madness]

They aren't MORE scavengers than hunters. Or do you say that because the females to the hunting. Anyway, it is applaudable that rather than feeling the need to hunt EVERY time, they would make use of something they found that a hyena left. Waste not.

[bamzam229]

Just looked up one site and it said, "40% of their diet is from scavenging" another said, most.

It's a toss up.

But as to the point that lions are "responsible", that's poppycock.

[monkee_madness]

Ok what you lack is the willingness to critically examine your own behaviour. Maybe you are afraid of change? That's what gets most people.

I'm sorry you think I speak down to you. You insisting that you know my motives and that they are "self righteous" is speaking down to me. I am only trying to get people to examine. Maybe you know other people who promote the same things I do in a different way, and in those similarities it provokes thoughts of hostility because of what you have seen somebody else do.

If me questioning your logic and very method of existance insults you, then I don't think you are actually as confidant of your position as you think you are.

[bamzam229]

You're not questioning my logic.

You're questioning my behavior by saying things like "You lack compassion".

That has nothing to do with my logic.

[bamzam229]

I'm not afraid of change. I'm not going to be for change that is absolutely asinine though