A few afterthoughts

May 22, 2010 01:00

So, I just finished the SPN season finale and I ....really liked it? Looking at a few reactions on my flist it seems that it was received with mixed feelings. Why is that you are often more able to enjoy things you aren't that much emotionally invested in? The more you care the more critical you seem to get. Or perhaps that's just me ( Read more... )

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cadesama May 22 2010, 03:48:28 UTC
Hey, sorry I've been a stranger lately. I just... couldn't really cope with the internet. I'm that pathetic over a show. But thanks for linking to that post! I would have missed it otherwise and I never do hate heartwarming cast suff. :)

Besides, Milo is still on my shit list for shaving all his hair off and sporting that horrible buzz-cut. Doesn't he look like your friendly neighborhood zombie?

He does! Or possibly like a refugee from 300. I'm actually surprised that more parts don't emphasize the angles of his face like this. It's a good way to easily produce menace in a character. It's actually sort of a surprise to me how often he plays woobies, given that his looks lend themselves directly to sort of feral, hard edged characters.

ETA: I totally forgot half my comment! About enjoying things you don't love more, I'm sometimes like that. I wouldn't say I'm actually less critical, it's just that criticizing doesn't hurt. When I watch stuff I don't love, or even things I actually dislike, I can have fun ripping it apart. When it's something I love, I don't generally enjoy that as much. But then, the thing is, when there's nothing I want to criticize, there's nothing better. And having characters that I think about daily, that I really care about and always will... well, that's why I'm still in fandom, no matter how many times cancellations and shark jumping crush my heart. I can sit around and snark shows I don't like without participating in anything.

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mimesh May 22 2010, 10:20:36 UTC
Hey, no need to apologize! I was rarely around the last two weeks either, although for various reasons and I totally understand. I was thinking of you when I heard the news. :(

True, they haven't used the possibilities of his face nearly enough in his past works. I honestly didn't recognize him in the close up the first time around. I only thought, 'Uh? There was a hot guy at the end.' and was already prepared to get pissy because I thought, he wouldn't be one of the 8 leads. Ahahah. And then I rewatched and well... guh.
The cinematography, direction (and make up) look really good so far, so let's hope they take more advantage of that face. I also read that most of the cast has signed up to lose weight throughout the shooting, so they can visualize the malnutrition and radiation process. If he is among them, the angles on his face will become even sharper.

Yeah, but see there is a middle ground between actually disliking a show (then watching it really doesn't make any fun) and being as hopelessly invested as I was in Heroes. There are quite a few shows I enjoy watching without caring too much and don't feel the urge to get involved in fandom. I realize again and again that I'm far less critical than their fans when I'm looking at episode reviews though. On the other hand, they also don't give me that heart-stopping emotion or make me feel like I'm going to explode from squee like my few beloved fandoms.

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cadesama May 22 2010, 14:17:25 UTC
True, they haven't used the possibilities of his face nearly enough in his past works.

His face plus the fact that he actually does do predatory and vicious well... strangely underused. I would have expected a sharp, skinny young guy would be the perfect pick for mean little underworld thug or something similar (ohhh, assassin!), but most of Milo's parts were "bad boy with a heart of gold." Strange.

I also read that most of the cast has signed up to lose weight throughout the shooting, so they can visualize the malnutrition and radiation process. If he is among them, the angles on his face will become even sharper.

D: My brain went to a Christian Bale-Machinist sort of place. Hopefully they won't go that far!

There are quite a few shows I enjoy watching without caring too much and don't feel the urge to get involved in fandom

Yeah, I have a number of those. Usually when I look at the fandom, it flat out scares me off. I'm not interested in defending my opinions about Leverage, such that I have them, or my Psych opinions. Having TV that's watchable is nice, but I just like having a fandom. I like engaging on that level. I'm not sure I'm really capable of being in fandom without being hopelessly invested.

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mimesh May 23 2010, 03:41:57 UTC
Hah, from what I've read about this movie so far, he'll definitely do predatory and vicious this time. Oh man, and I love your brain! I would watch him as a mean assassin or gangster anytime. I think I would prefer these to his good bad boy roles.

D: My brain went to a Christian Bale-Machinist sort of place. Hopefully they won't go that far!

Argh, no! But don't worry, I doubt they'll lose so much weight within 31 days (that's the amount of shooting days they have). That's probably also the reason they are shooting in sequence and increases the chances some of them might actually go bald by the end of it.

Having TV that's watchable is nice, but I just like having a fandom. I like engaging on that level. I'm not sure I'm really capable of being in fandom without being hopelessly invested.

Oh I know and I agree. Right now I find it hard to imagine being equally obsessed with something else, though. :/

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cadesama May 23 2010, 05:32:11 UTC
I would watch him as a mean assassin or gangster anytime. I think I would prefer these to his good bad boy roles.

For a long term character. I definitely like softer better. But for two hours? Vicious can be a hell of a lot of fun.

But don't worry, I doubt they'll lose so much weight within 31 days (that's the amount of shooting days they have).

That's a relief! I get strangely worried for actors about clauses telling them they have to lose or gain weight. I just feel bad for them. As much as films give bad body image, the actors actually living in that environment have it so much worse. :(

Losing maybe 5-10 during the shoot would probably give them all harder edges, though, and probably work for method acting as well. They're going to be damn hungry and irritable!

Right now I find it hard to imagine being equally obsessed with something else, though. :/

I don't think I really want to obsess about anything else right now? I mean, The Cape and No Ordinary Family seem to show potential, but I'm hesitating just because I don't want something new. And I'm not sure I want a new superhero show, just because I can't bear the comparisons people will constantly be bringing up. (Plus, the look of actors isn't to my taste. I love Julie Benz, but the look of both shows is pretty generic. And white. Really, really white.)

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mimesh May 26 2010, 22:09:45 UTC
For a long term character. I definitely like softer better. But for two hours? Vicious can be a hell of a lot of fun.

Okay, after reading a longer synopsis of that movie he is shooting right now, I might have to take my statement back. I'm not sure I'm ready to see him like this. D: (If you are interested, it's here)

As much as films give bad body image, the actors actually living in that environment have it so much worse. :(

Yeah, although I feel like actresses have it even worse than men. And these excessive weight alterations like Christian Bale, Tom Hanks or even Rene Zellweger did or had to do for their films should be forbidden. Hah, that reminds me, even Hayden had to work really, really hard to gain all that weight and muscle for ROTS.

I don't think I really want to obsess about anything else right now?

Yeah, me neither. And this might be totally childish and irrational but I'm already biased against The Cape because it's such an obvious replacement for Heroes on NBC. Same goes for No Ordinary Family even though it's on another network. (Not that all shows with super powered people are a Heroes knock off, I'm sure the X-Men fans will agree, but it's obviously an attempt to repeat the formula with slight alterations) I'm not sure I could restrain from comparing them even if I tried and that would only make me bitter.

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cadesama May 26 2010, 22:25:43 UTC
Okay, after reading a longer synopsis of that movie he is shooting right now, I might have to take my statement back. I'm not sure I'm ready to see him like this. D:

Argh, yeah. Do we know his character name? I think it all depends exactly on how things go down, but I was sort of figuring on classic horror-style Last Girl situation. No one will likely survive that movie but the female protagonist and the kid. Not sure I want to watch a movie climaxing on a rape attempt, though.

Hah, that reminds me, even Hayden had to work really, really hard to gain all that weight and muscle for ROTS.

Wasn't he on an all cheeseburger diet? And, gasp, he even stopped smoking!

nd this might be totally childish and irrational but I'm already biased against The Cape because it's such an obvious replacement for Heroes on NBC. Same goes for No Ordinary Family even though it's on another network.

That was actually my exact initially reaction. No Ordinary Family still gets it from me, because it's exactly mimicking the family drama aspects of Heroes... but badly, from what I can tell. It's going for generic every family, instead of the particulars unique to this family. The Cape I was hesistant about, but the thing is, while it's filling the super-hero niche at NBC, I think the plots and the construction of the universe are very, very different. In some ways this actually feels like a fix-it for the Superman Returns movies, where the writer didn't feel it did justice to the responsibility of fatherhood. On the whole, I think it's much more traditional comics -- about fighting bad guys as a vigilante -- with the relationships as an interesting aspect, but not a focus.

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