Re: WEEP AT THE SIGHT OF TEXT WALL!eternal_wizardNovember 18 2009, 22:03:06 UTC
I don't actually think we agreed this whole time, I still feel that the movie has soul and artistic merit! I just think that we are looking for that feeling in different places. For me, I can take scenes from that movie and view them, devoid of context, as very well crafted cinema; technically well crafted but analogous your set design comment. However, I could then take a sequence of these scenes and view them together as art - containing what I see as soul. When its all put together and I see how scenes build off one another, the use of visual motifs mixed with purposefully heavy handed commentary, and the subtle hand of the director running through it all... I see art, and I see soul
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Re: WEEP AT THE SIGHT OF TEXT WALL!midnightbraveNovember 19 2009, 03:37:09 UTC
See, where you see scenes building on each other and visual motifs as soul, I see these are the framework of story, no different from visual effects. They're very much technical things. One can say the dialog is well written, and it is well written, and that the movie is cleverly constructed (which it is, certainly), but...I still look at it and I see a play that is perfectly executed and perhaps even stoutly written but that lacks...any sort of depth of feeling to it
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Re: WEEP AT THE SIGHT OF TEXT WALL!eternal_wizardNovember 19 2009, 06:30:12 UTC
I can see art in a visual or practical effect myself, depending on the effects use. I see personality, soul, and indeed art in plenty of things people make without that thing needing to be "deep." I have no one universal criteria for art; sometimes the intent is what brings soul, while sometimes its the visual package, and sometimes its the craft and skill applied. Often I mix those things in my interpretations. I'm an anti-pretentious appreciator of art, I have no problems seeing something popular as being worthy of the title of art or of having soul. We have rather different tastes and opinions as far as media and art is concerned; this same argument could be had about countless movies and it would be no different. (Do you consider any movies to have artistic merit? Feature length cinema mind you, video art and shorts don't count for this question
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