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"I Don't THINK So!" Poll--Who are we going to lose and what are you going to AU? (Ch. 102 spoilers)

Dec 16, 2009 13:00

It's getting close to the end. Soon we'll have the last issue in our hands, and we'll know who survived and who didn't, and in what condition. I have my own opinions on who's likely to be a casualty of "The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny", but I thought it'd be fun to see what the rest of the community has to say about the ending.

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poll, casualty count, chapter 102, fullmetal alchemist, au

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militsa December 16 2009, 18:48:39 UTC

fractured_chaos December 16 2009, 19:03:34 UTC

I'm not sure even how or why Havoc would be healed either.

Aside from the fact that I'm a Havoc fangirl? XD

Actually there are a couple of things that make me think it's a possibility -- although they could just as easily be red herrings...

1 -- Dr Marco learning Xingian Alchemy (I mentioned earlier).
2 -- It's been mentioned over and over again that this alchemy is primarily used for healing.
3 -- Roy's research while they were sill in the hospital, and talking to Dr Knox.
4 -- Dr Knox was also in Ishbal, experimenting on people. He might have a few tricks up his sleeves.

None of this is compelling enough to go beyond reasonable doubt, but the idea of Havoc walking again isn't completely out of the realm of possibility, either. If it happens it wouldn't be a deus ex.

I do NOT think Arakawa will kill Ed. I think that is too dark for this series, honestly.

You make a very good point. No matter how dark and intense things have gotten in this series, there has always been that sense of hope that ran all the way through it.

militsa December 16 2009, 19:49:37 UTC

ON Havoc... havocmangawip December 16 2009, 21:44:06 UTC

To the OP, Havoc CAN be written without going AU, it does however take some doing. It isn't impossible though. If you ever want to write it I'd be happy to provide you with links for information on spinal cord injury.

With the aforementioned alchemy it IS a possibility that they could fix/improve Havoc. EVEN with a fixed spinal cord he will have a lot of PT and may NEVER be the same again. His gait/strength/muscle mass and bone mass are likely compromised already. (That said, even SOME return of function would be awesome and an improvement for him.)

I'm not even thinking it's a cop out with the alchemy. They'll still have to "move heaven and earth" to fix him. If they did it "soap opera style" I'd be super pissed. I suppose that is the activist and friend in me. I know guys in similar situations to Havoc and I am pissed on their behalf when things aren't portrayed correctly.

I'm not wagering on who dies yet... I have some thoughts.

Re: ON Havoc... bob_fish December 16 2009, 23:20:25 UTC

Do you know, I nearly pimped your fic back there, but my post on Havoc was getting tl;dr as it was. Everybody who's considering writing post-manga Havoc without solving the writing challenge with a dubious quick fix, go check out how it's done, epically, in Jean Havoc: a Work in Progress. There, I pimped. XD

Re: ON Havoc... mfelizandy December 17 2009, 04:01:16 UTC

I'd like to see those disability research links you have, if you wouldn't mind posting them here. I wrote a manuscript for a novel while back in college, and did some rummaging around the Net for information to make the female lead (who was a paraplegic) at least marginally plausible. That was back in the last century, though, so I don't recall much of it. What does stick in my mind is that paralysis does not necessarily mean absolutely no feeling--and that a lot depends on just where the injury is ( ... )

Re: ON Havoc... mfelizandy December 17 2009, 04:01:36 UTC

Writing Havoc in his wheelchair would actually be easier than writing Roy blinded, I think. Havoc can still move around unfamiliar places on his own, possibly drive a car with appropriate modifications, (provided the steam system isn't markedly more complicated in terms of levers and wheels to operate than an internal combustion one), read, write, track facial expressions and body language, pick out clothes that match and count the change the grocer gives him...from the perspective of a writer, he's much easier to handle. Roy, if he stays blind, will be a much bigger challenge, at least if one writes from his perspective. I'm thinking of describing a new location, some place Roy's never been before--and my mind defaults to visual imagery, with some sounds and smells to fill it out. Roy's going to be relying on sound and touch and possibly scent to a degree. That could be an interesting POV to use, but for the sake of storytelling, I'd think that I'd have to use Hawkeye or Havoc or someone else with working vision as an alternate ( ... )

Quick and dirty resources... havocmangawip December 17 2009, 05:31:45 UTC

Half finger gloves would be great... his usual leather tactical gloves with thumb and index finger cut out are my personal favorites. ;) A consideration for him would be longer inseams on his pants... as sitting makes them hike up. A friend of mine always bought his pants a few inches too long to avoid the dorky sock showing thing ( ... )

havocmangawip December 17 2009, 05:35:59 UTC

GAH... forgot to finish the part about what his sensory level might be...

Depending on the extent of the damage loss of sensation/twilight sensation would begin around the navel. It's entirely possible that he'd have some sensation all the way to the hip flexors. (Or lower if you make the injury incomplete. He would still be considerably compromised and sensation in his legs would be limited to non-existent. (e.g. pressure but not pain or hot or cold in the thighs with little to nothing from the knees down.)

bob_fish December 17 2009, 10:13:16 UTC

OMG, thanks so much for posting this stuff! I'd seen some of it but not other bits, and you better believe that I'll be digging into the rest.

Good point about the GI bleed and internal injuries from the stab too - I was thinking the same thing.

On a side note, I've been having so much fun with steampunk car modifications. I imagined Rush Valley would have quite the side industry in steampunky assistive technology ... which would all cost a bomb.

And congratulations on making the archive! That's so cool, and from what I can see very well-deserved.

An archive that I'm just proud to be on... havocmangawip December 17 2009, 05:47:34 UTC

I googled myself... I admit it. This website has examples of fan fiction that deals accurately with disability both in and out of canon.

http://www.familie3.com/disability_in_fanfiction/

Re: ON Havoc... mfelizandy December 17 2009, 18:47:47 UTC

I just read a bit of your "Jean Havoc: WIP" fic, and I think you've written THE benchmark fic of Havoc after Lab 3. (I'm a bit intimidated, to be frank.) What I have in mind is getting Havoc into more significantly-weird alchemical trouble, partially having to do with his paralysis and likelihood (or lack thereof) of recovery, and of course the country (at the very least) or the whole world (more likely) going to pieces and it being up to Our Heroes to risk themselves and each other and whatever else is on hand to prevent disaster. Or at least avoid Winry crying.

Quirk--In the backstory I invented for Havoc before we knew the details of his history, I had him as the third of ten farm kids, and his next-younger brother had gone deaf after a dangerous illness at six--and he and Jean drew up making up extra finger signs to torment the rest of their siblings.

I really love your back story for him! havocmangawip December 18 2009, 01:36:12 UTC

I see him as an only with a PACK of cousins right in town. He's his Ma's only baby... but there were MORE than enough cousins to get into trouble with.

Please don't be intimidated! I want more people to write Havoc!!! As you can tell from my early chapters I've been working on my technique and the story was just THERE and needed telling. I cringe at my earlier chapters. The dialog though good was formatted in such a stilted way. Eep! (The comma abuse was through the roof.)

Re: I really love your back story for him! mfelizandy December 18 2009, 02:31:16 UTC

Thank you! I was actually chewing over a snippet of an idea (while driving home from work--I do a lot of plotting while driving, which is why I've gone sailing past my exit and had to turn around and retrace my route in the past) for a fic set sometime after the fallout's all fallen out. Jean is up to his ears in the usual snarled webs of diplomacy and intrigue, tracking down spies and smugglers and listening to tapped phone lines, fairly routine...when he discovers that his "little" sister (she's actually fifteen) is coming to visit, and not only that, she wants to meet all these semi-legendary people her brother Jean works with, including the famous Elrics ( ... )

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