But I'd figured it out halfway through the season and really was hoping RTD was more imaginative than me, because he totally faked me out in S1.
• BP brought the emotion (although I'm mightily teed off that we're deprived of her remembering PoTW, the vortex, Bad Wolf, and the kiss) • Ten set my teeth on edge less than usual • Yvonne kind of rocks • Have always had a thing for Pete (although real!Pete was sweeter) • Liked the wall • Trashtalking Daleks vs. Cybermen!
But it was all a little pat. First reaction was kind of "meh".
Consolation thought: No Rose in alt!universe (not counting little yappy dog). And no Daleks. So mebbe...Nine?
I've read other peoples reviews and I can totally see why some are unhappy with Rose's resolution. The last time we (possibly ever) see her is crying her eyes out. I think what they should have done was Rose kind of left her head after the Doctor disappeared and then hug her mom. Even some Rose haters were like, she should have gotten something better, instead, as some pointed out, she's all messed up and it's probable to think she's gonna kill herself.
Now, I wouldn't go so far to agree with that because I reconcile with the shots of her alone on the beach and she looks resolved, defeated but she's going to move on (I mean the shots from the beginning of "Army of Ghosts" and the very beginning of this on).
Damn it, I'm still torn.
Ten set my teeth on edge less than usualI really loved Ten here, and I think I'm the only one in love with the very end with the bride. I don't know why, but I needed that bit
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It's the way of the ending, really, isn't it? I thought they were going to end with the image of the two of them on the opposite sides of the wall, and then the Doctor walking away - and I was fine with that, even a little weepy. That was good. I liked that.
What really has me torn is the epilogue/goodbye. Billie acted her socks off in that (she always does), and I don't mind them having some touchback. And aesthetically, I like the idea that it's a fairy-tale world (complete with rose-tinted filters fercripessakes!) and Bad Wolf Bay; however emotionally, I would have preferred that we saw her going on with her life in a more proactive, adult, less "little-girl" way. We could have seen a montage of her at work - echoing how we met her, but in a much more grown-up, purposeful way - and maybe she gets a call on her phone, or a message rather than this voice in her dreams (or I wouldn't have minded if we got an intermingling of the two voices, as a subtle resonance). Maybe even an e-mailed message/goodbye. So again, I get the hologram
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I thought they were going to end with the image of the two of them on the opposite sides of the wall
I would have been good with that. I thought that was really well done too. Although, I started to get weepy when the Doctor first saw the Daleks. I just wanted to give him a big fat hug.
What really has me torn is the epilogue/goodbye.
I think for people who aren't shippers, that's what has them torn as well. And even from a shipper POV (my own) I have problems with it. Although, to be perfectly honest, I loved that Rose said I love you and again, the Doctor didn't. I think that was perfect because it sort of makes everyone happy. The shippers get to feel that yeah, the Doctor was going to say I love you and the non-shippers get the idea that he was going to say "Rose Tyler, I like you" or something. So, I really liked that.
I was crying at the end because Billie was crying - it was totally a sympathetic reaction, because part of me was cringing.God, I had tears running down my cheeks, it was really heartbreaking. But for
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I think only the most rabid Ten/Rose shippers (not even the ones who liked her with both Doctors) are happy with that ending. Once again, it seemed to cheapen/weaken the ending on either side of the wall.
Although, to be perfectly honest, I loved that Rose said I love you and again, the Doctor didn't. I think that was perfect because it sort of makes everyone happy. The shippers get to feel that yeah, the Doctor was going to say I love you and the non-shippers get the idea that he was going to say "Rose Tyler, I like you" or something. So, I really liked that.
I've suddenly had this vision of Rose on that beach putting a message into a fire or something and just hoping it might reach him, but it would be unnecessary because they both know. It was just TOO MUCH. At least for them the way they were this year.
But for some reason, the Doctor crying made me cringe. It was done well, but I just don't wanna see my Doctor crying (and I mean "my" in a general way, not that Ten is "my" Doctor).Yeah, I was kind of cringing at that, too. I
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And that was completely earned. Because 1) it was Rose and 2) he was RIGHT THERE. One more step and she would have been in his arms, so it's that extra punch to the gut for him
I know he used a superlative ("I only take the best"), but I never got the feeling he meant the bestest ever, ever, in all the universe and time, but more that she meets certain criteria.
See, I know people probably jumped on that statement, thinking, "Wow, Rose is the best ever" but I always read it as, "I take the best, right now, I have Rose", so I agree with you.
"Oh, she's my soulmate"OMG, as much as I adore Doctor/Rose, it will never compare to the rant I have about the soulmate thing. Even before knowing the history of the show I had a problem with it, and it wasn't just the fans saying it, wasn't it somebody behind the show that first said it? Maybe it's something personal, but even as a shipper I have objections towards that
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One more step and she would have been in his arms, so it's that extra punch to the gut for him
And us. They're reaching out for each other and, wham, she's dust and he's on his knees. And bless Jack, so protective, "Don't you touch him. Don't you dare touch him!" I think that's the moment I started to really love Jack, not just find him amusing.
I think the problem is, RTD fell in love with his character of Rose, and that tainted her. I had the same problem with Battlestar Galactica, the creator was in love with one of the characters he was writing and was a complete letdown on other characters.
Which one was that? I watch the show, but I haven't gotten into the fandom or backstage stuff.
But then I wonder, did RTD plan on keeping Rose for another season? And if he did, did that maybe rush her departure? Evidently, he knew from the beginning of the series (as he did with CE in S1) that she was leaving. I can see on paper why he thought this was a good ending, but the way it undermined all her S1 growth just made it feel...off
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Which one was that? I watch the show, but I haven't gotten into the fandom or backstage stuff.
Kara/Starbuck is loved beyond words apparently, and for one, I don't share the love sentiment and they seem to work harder on her stories and fail with my favorite, Lee/Apollo.
I liked The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit best of all.
They were very good, and yeah, given time they might take the place of SR. The new characters were love in those episodes, they were so real and I thought I was going to cry when the Doctor left Ida alone and Jefferson was going to be killed. Poor Toby, he died a virgin.
Random question: why do people hate Pete?I don't know, because I really liked real!Pete. The alt!Pete was a little grating, and I really love that they made them with that difference. But for me, I don't understand why people didn't like Pete/Jackie in the finale. They both were hesitate because they were't really each other's spouses. And Jackie had no problem screaming at him for leaving Rose behind and him reminding her that it
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BSG: I suspected you meant Starbuck. I do like her; and I understand your feeling Lee gets neglected, because I find him the least well-drawn of the central characters. He's hardly there. I'll admit, I really love the older characters (Adama, Roslin, Tigh) and the Baltar/Six combination; I also think Boomer has been a fascinating performance. So there's not a lot of room in that cast for leads, they have so many! (To be fair, Apollo was my least favourite in the original series, too, because I don't seem to go for the straight-up hero-types!)
As for Jackie and alt!Pete, I think that Camille Coduri and Shaun Dingwall did a great job with that. I didn't begrudge their time in the spotlight (even if I thought the ending was a little pat and had seen it coming for 6 episodes!), and I liked the fact that they acknowledged that they were different people from the ones they had fallen in love with.
Mine doesn't dim, it freakin' GROWS! I know. That's one of the reasons that a big, big part of me wishes they had just STOPPED at the end of
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*thud* I'm sorry, your icon just killed me dead. ;)
I have much love for Apollo, have since I first saw the new series, when I started with, I think it was the fourth episode of the season. BSG had the same problem, IMHO, that DW just had, the first season was much better than the second.
But when he talks about CE in the Confidentials, etc., his ears get pink! I think he had a little crush... Awwwww.
John was absolutely adorable in the Condidentials when he talked about CE and Doctor/Rose.
when he stops screwdrivering the lock and just looks up at her with a little squint, "Are you sure about that T-shirt?" and she says, "'m not sure yet. I'm takin' it out for a spin." That was a really good moment, because they didn't JUST flirt, they teased each other and it wasn't always in the most romantic way, which is why I loved their relationship, because it really was ambiguous. Anyone could read it in any way. Friends, lovers, friends with benefits, it didn't matter because the Doctor and Rose didn't care, they were traveling
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*thud* I'm sorry, your icon just killed me dead. ;)
Although that one is great, this is the one which has an effect all out of reasonable proportion....
they didn't JUST flirt, they teased each other and it wasn't always in the most romantic way, which is why I loved their relationship, because it really was ambiguous. Anyone could read it in any way. Friends, lovers, friends with benefits, it didn't matter because the Doctor and Rose didn't care, they were traveling together, they were happy, they cared about each other, they didn't need to define it.Exactly. It's an all-encompassing relationship - which is why I think sex between them would be more about passion, fun, and love than romance, if you get what I mean. Therefore, it seems to me greater than lesser. Part of a greater whole
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Although that one is great, this is the one which has an effect all out of reasonable proportion....
Guh..I'm sorry, are there such a thing as words for that? I could just stare at that.
which is why I think sex between them would be more about passion, fun, and love than romance, if you get what I mean.
Yes! Besides, I really don't think the Doctor knows romance, he's a bit too oblivious to that, bless him.
This was the one that CE blew up on, and having seen the result, I don't blame him.
Really, that's interesting. I don't know any of the behind-the-scenes stuff, I feel like I'm missing something.
I never got hysterical/suicidal
I didn't think she was suicidal, but I could see where people were coming from with that angle, now I don't.
If I can get some other things off my desk, I'm still tempted to do the rest of S1 in picture posts. No one will care but me, but I enjoy doing it!That reminds me! I have to finish season 1 as well, my Doctor/Rose posts, I have BT, BW and PotW still. I'd love to see yours though! It'
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Guh..I'm sorry, are there such a thing as words for that? I could just stare at that.
It really shouldn't be as...compelling as it is, should it? Let's all just take a moment and stare.
Makes you want to grow fangs, doesn't it?
I admit, I have a thing for throats. For a short, chubby guy, David Krumholtz has a great throat (see icon).
I was just over at the BBC bulletin boards, and I really shouldn't, you know? I really do not get how people say, "Wow, S2 was so much better written than S1."
And this cracks me up: the argument that Rose + 9 is creepy because a 900+ age gap is too much. But Rose + 10 is fine?! He's older! You ageist hypocrites (and very dumb at math, too). There's someone at TWOP who occasionally pops up with the same argument, and even funnier she said "CE is 15 years older than BP - yuck." Well, as it happens DT is 13 years older, so... what? Her actual argument was that it was "grody" and that she knew some people in real life who had that kind of age gap and that was "grody" too. This is a married woman,
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I admit, I have a thing for throats. For a short, chubby guy, David Krumholtz has a great throat (see icon).
Thank you, 'cause I do too now.
There's someone at TWOP who occasionally pops up with the same argument, and even funnier she said "CE is 15 years older than BP - yuck."
Oh lord. There are worse age differences in movies. Star Wars? Harrison Ford was at least 20 years older than Carrie Fisher. King Arthur? Again, 20 year age difference between love interests. Nobody cries foul with movies. I think what really calls attention is that DT really looks young for his age, and sometimes CE could look his age, I'll admit it, even though when he does he still looks hot IMO.
the argument that Rose + 9 is creepy because a 900+ age gap is too much. But Rose + 10 is fine?! See, even though I love Doctor/Rose, I still get a bit out of whack when I really think about it. That's why I don't think about it, that's why his age isn't called to attention so often, so that the writers can get away with a romance and not get called on
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I know what you mean.
It was okay, it was a resolution.
But I'd figured it out halfway through the season and really was hoping RTD was more imaginative than me, because he totally faked me out in S1.
• BP brought the emotion (although I'm mightily teed off that we're deprived of her remembering PoTW, the vortex, Bad Wolf, and the kiss)
• Ten set my teeth on edge less than usual
• Yvonne kind of rocks
• Have always had a thing for Pete (although real!Pete was sweeter)
• Liked the wall
• Trashtalking Daleks vs. Cybermen!
But it was all a little pat. First reaction was kind of "meh".
Consolation thought: No Rose in alt!universe (not counting little yappy dog). And no Daleks. So mebbe...Nine?
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Now, I wouldn't go so far to agree with that because I reconcile with the shots of her alone on the beach and she looks resolved, defeated but she's going to move on (I mean the shots from the beginning of "Army of Ghosts" and the very beginning of this on).
Damn it, I'm still torn.
Ten set my teeth on edge less than usualI really loved Ten here, and I think I'm the only one in love with the very end with the bride. I don't know why, but I needed that bit ( ... )
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What really has me torn is the epilogue/goodbye. Billie acted her socks off in that (she always does), and I don't mind them having some touchback. And aesthetically, I like the idea that it's a fairy-tale world (complete with rose-tinted filters fercripessakes!) and Bad Wolf Bay; however emotionally, I would have preferred that we saw her going on with her life in a more proactive, adult, less "little-girl" way. We could have seen a montage of her at work - echoing how we met her, but in a much more grown-up, purposeful way - and maybe she gets a call on her phone, or a message rather than this voice in her dreams (or I wouldn't have minded if we got an intermingling of the two voices, as a subtle resonance). Maybe even an e-mailed message/goodbye. So again, I get the hologram ( ... )
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I would have been good with that. I thought that was really well done too. Although, I started to get weepy when the Doctor first saw the Daleks. I just wanted to give him a big fat hug.
What really has me torn is the epilogue/goodbye.
I think for people who aren't shippers, that's what has them torn as well. And even from a shipper POV (my own) I have problems with it. Although, to be perfectly honest, I loved that Rose said I love you and again, the Doctor didn't. I think that was perfect because it sort of makes everyone happy. The shippers get to feel that yeah, the Doctor was going to say I love you and the non-shippers get the idea that he was going to say "Rose Tyler, I like you" or something. So, I really liked that.
I was crying at the end because Billie was crying - it was totally a sympathetic reaction, because part of me was cringing.God, I had tears running down my cheeks, it was really heartbreaking. But for ( ... )
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Although, to be perfectly honest, I loved that Rose said I love you and again, the Doctor didn't. I think that was perfect because it sort of makes everyone happy. The shippers get to feel that yeah, the Doctor was going to say I love you and the non-shippers get the idea that he was going to say "Rose Tyler, I like you" or something. So, I really liked that.
I've suddenly had this vision of Rose on that beach putting a message into a fire or something and just hoping it might reach him, but it would be unnecessary because they both know. It was just TOO MUCH. At least for them the way they were this year.
But for some reason, the Doctor crying made me cringe. It was done well, but I just don't wanna see my Doctor crying (and I mean "my" in a general way, not that Ten is "my" Doctor).Yeah, I was kind of cringing at that, too. I ( ... )
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And that was completely earned. Because 1) it was Rose and 2) he was RIGHT THERE. One more step and she would have been in his arms, so it's that extra punch to the gut for him
I know he used a superlative ("I only take the best"), but I never got the feeling he meant the bestest ever, ever, in all the universe and time, but more that she meets certain criteria.
See, I know people probably jumped on that statement, thinking, "Wow, Rose is the best ever" but I always read it as, "I take the best, right now, I have Rose", so I agree with you.
"Oh, she's my soulmate"OMG, as much as I adore Doctor/Rose, it will never compare to the rant I have about the soulmate thing. Even before knowing the history of the show I had a problem with it, and it wasn't just the fans saying it, wasn't it somebody behind the show that first said it? Maybe it's something personal, but even as a shipper I have objections towards that ( ... )
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And us. They're reaching out for each other and, wham, she's dust and he's on his knees. And bless Jack, so protective, "Don't you touch him. Don't you dare touch him!" I think that's the moment I started to really love Jack, not just find him amusing.
I think the problem is, RTD fell in love with his character of Rose, and that tainted her. I had the same problem with Battlestar Galactica, the creator was in love with one of the characters he was writing and was a complete letdown on other characters.
Which one was that? I watch the show, but I haven't gotten into the fandom or backstage stuff.
But then I wonder, did RTD plan on keeping Rose for another season? And if he did, did that maybe rush her departure? Evidently, he knew from the beginning of the series (as he did with CE in S1) that she was leaving. I can see on paper why he thought this was a good ending, but the way it undermined all her S1 growth just made it feel...off ( ... )
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Kara/Starbuck is loved beyond words apparently, and for one, I don't share the love sentiment and they seem to work harder on her stories and fail with my favorite, Lee/Apollo.
I liked The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit best of all.
They were very good, and yeah, given time they might take the place of SR. The new characters were love in those episodes, they were so real and I thought I was going to cry when the Doctor left Ida alone and Jefferson was going to be killed. Poor Toby, he died a virgin.
Random question: why do people hate Pete?I don't know, because I really liked real!Pete. The alt!Pete was a little grating, and I really love that they made them with that difference. But for me, I don't understand why people didn't like Pete/Jackie in the finale. They both were hesitate because they were't really each other's spouses. And Jackie had no problem screaming at him for leaving Rose behind and him reminding her that it ( ... )
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As for Jackie and alt!Pete, I think that Camille Coduri and Shaun Dingwall did a great job with that. I didn't begrudge their time in the spotlight (even if I thought the ending was a little pat and had seen it coming for 6 episodes!), and I liked the fact that they acknowledged that they were different people from the ones they had fallen in love with.
Mine doesn't dim, it freakin' GROWS! I know. That's one of the reasons that a big, big part of me wishes they had just STOPPED at the end of ( ... )
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I have much love for Apollo, have since I first saw the new series, when I started with, I think it was the fourth episode of the season. BSG had the same problem, IMHO, that DW just had, the first season was much better than the second.
But when he talks about CE in the Confidentials, etc., his ears get pink! I think he had a little crush... Awwwww.
John was absolutely adorable in the Condidentials when he talked about CE and Doctor/Rose.
when he stops screwdrivering the lock and just looks up at her with a little squint, "Are you sure about that T-shirt?" and she says, "'m not sure yet. I'm takin' it out for a spin." That was a really good moment, because they didn't JUST flirt, they teased each other and it wasn't always in the most romantic way, which is why I loved their relationship, because it really was ambiguous. Anyone could read it in any way. Friends, lovers, friends with benefits, it didn't matter because the Doctor and Rose didn't care, they were traveling ( ... )
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Although that one is great, this is the one which has an effect all out of reasonable proportion....
they didn't JUST flirt, they teased each other and it wasn't always in the most romantic way, which is why I loved their relationship, because it really was ambiguous. Anyone could read it in any way. Friends, lovers, friends with benefits, it didn't matter because the Doctor and Rose didn't care, they were traveling together, they were happy, they cared about each other, they didn't need to define it.Exactly. It's an all-encompassing relationship - which is why I think sex between them would be more about passion, fun, and love than romance, if you get what I mean. Therefore, it seems to me greater than lesser. Part of a greater whole ( ... )
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Guh..I'm sorry, are there such a thing as words for that? I could just stare at that.
which is why I think sex between them would be more about passion, fun, and love than romance, if you get what I mean.
Yes! Besides, I really don't think the Doctor knows romance, he's a bit too oblivious to that, bless him.
This was the one that CE blew up on, and having seen the result, I don't blame him.
Really, that's interesting. I don't know any of the behind-the-scenes stuff, I feel like I'm missing something.
I never got hysterical/suicidal
I didn't think she was suicidal, but I could see where people were coming from with that angle, now I don't.
If I can get some other things off my desk, I'm still tempted to do the rest of S1 in picture posts. No one will care but me, but I enjoy doing it!That reminds me! I have to finish season 1 as well, my Doctor/Rose posts, I have BT, BW and PotW still. I'd love to see yours though! It' ( ... )
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It really shouldn't be as...compelling as it is, should it? Let's all just take a moment and stare.
Makes you want to grow fangs, doesn't it?
I admit, I have a thing for throats. For a short, chubby guy, David Krumholtz has a great throat (see icon).
I was just over at the BBC bulletin boards, and I really shouldn't, you know? I really do not get how people say, "Wow, S2 was so much better written than S1."
And this cracks me up: the argument that Rose + 9 is creepy because a 900+ age gap is too much. But Rose + 10 is fine?! He's older! You ageist hypocrites (and very dumb at math, too). There's someone at TWOP who occasionally pops up with the same argument, and even funnier she said "CE is 15 years older than BP - yuck." Well, as it happens DT is 13 years older, so... what? Her actual argument was that it was "grody" and that she knew some people in real life who had that kind of age gap and that was "grody" too. This is a married woman, ( ... )
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Thank you, 'cause I do too now.
There's someone at TWOP who occasionally pops up with the same argument, and even funnier she said "CE is 15 years older than BP - yuck."
Oh lord. There are worse age differences in movies. Star Wars? Harrison Ford was at least 20 years older than Carrie Fisher. King Arthur? Again, 20 year age difference between love interests. Nobody cries foul with movies. I think what really calls attention is that DT really looks young for his age, and sometimes CE could look his age, I'll admit it, even though when he does he still looks hot IMO.
the argument that Rose + 9 is creepy because a 900+ age gap is too much. But Rose + 10 is fine?! See, even though I love Doctor/Rose, I still get a bit out of whack when I really think about it. That's why I don't think about it, that's why his age isn't called to attention so often, so that the writers can get away with a romance and not get called on ( ... )
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