movie: Frozen

[meganbmoore]

So, I went to see Frozen with family today and liked it. Before I say anything about it, though, let me rant a bit:

Before the movie started, we had to sit through FORTY MINUTES of previews and commercials. Well, about 30 minutes of previews and commercials, and then 10 minutes of a short Mickey Mouse movie that was very "tee hee extreme cartoon

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[tigerpetals]

Oh my god, 40 minutes! Forty! I think our theater put in like 30, because my sister and I were like 20 min. late and they were still going. So we missed most of them

[meganbmoore]

I think that the "OMG PERFECT ICE" thing and Hans's "We must not harm the queen!" and saving her from the assassins were both supposed to lay the groundwork for us to think one of them would fall for Elsa and result in a nice and tidy resolution to the triangle. I am too well trained by Disney to not recognize that Anna/Kristoff was the intended endgame from the barn scene onward.

I think the movie itself made Anna's suffering obvious, but when it comes to acknowledging how abuse affects people, fandom tends to assume the cheerful and/or heroic people weren't really abused, because they aren't as obviously scarred. (Most recent example for me is OUAT's fandom focusing on Regina being abused by her mother while ignoring the emotional abuse Snow and Henry received from her, and hating them for letting that affect their interactions with her.)

I...like Olaf overall? But found him annoying. Though all the focus in the trailers probably prejudiced me, not to mention people who said they were only watching for him.

[tigerpetals]

Anna/Kristoff was the relationship getting screen time and emotional growth invested in it, so they were pretty telegraphed. Actually, that's a pretty cliché 'the guy wanted by the heroine is not right and not who she really wants' story, and that usually bothers me. But there was no scolding of Anna in any way for expressing interest in Hans instead of Kristoff, nor any prickly behavior from him regarding it. Plus it was secondary to Anna's real love story with Elsa. There was the criticism of trying to marry a guy she just met, but it never had anything to do with Kristoff as a love interest and the movie lets them be love without getting to marriage or even a magic kiss

[meganbmoore]

Yeah, the lack of "tsk tsk"-ing towards Anna over "you fell in love with a guy after knowing him for 5 minutes then learned he was evil" makes that much more palatable. Elsa and Kristoff were very much reacting to "ENGAGED TO A GUY YOU MET TODAY" as opposed to thinking she needed to learn life lessons. Elsa probably would have been just fine with things if Hans had just said he was interested in courting Anna. (Probably still not thrilled, but...) And then Kristoff is your general "really big heart and worries about people, really prickly exterior." I ALMOST felt bad for him when he spent most of the climax relegated to standing there all "But I thought true love's kiss was supposed to fix things? i came all this way, and now I have nothing to do..."

I agree that Elsa has the trappings of what fandom likes to turn woobie villains into, except that with her, it all actually is true.

I...kind of want to read that essay, but suspect it would enrage me.

[tigerpetals]

Don't take it personally Kristoff! You took her to her true love after all, it just wasn't who you thought!

The comment was made in a separate post from the essay, if that helps? A frustrated one because she does think they're awesome, but she couldn't come up with more to say. The essay assumes the OUAT fandom collectively roots for and identifies with the villains more than the heroes, but it is responding to an ask - this is Tumblr - about fans who love the villains more. She points out that the hero characters don't deserve hate for not being happy with the villains. That identifying with villains doesn't mean other characters don't have pain and issues that fans ought to recognize when analyzing. Also I like the captions for the screencaps.

[meganbmoore]

Ok, link away.

[tigerpetals]

I hope LJ spam doesn't eat this!

The stuff about identification begins in part two: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/65078069931/why-do-the-ouat-villains-get-all-the-love-essay