My long-awaited abstinence paper!

Dec 06, 2002 09:32

That's right folks, it's the paper you've all been waiting for. The one that's had you glued to your monitor for the past four weeks, hitting the Refresh button every 15 minutes just to see if I had posted it yet. This is it. The Big One. A mammoth four-page open response to the youth pastor who came to our school and basically called us all ( Read more... )

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Hey Aaron schnemndrick December 6 2002, 13:15:40 UTC
Though I found your writings sometimes humorous because I understand, kind of, of your thinking. I respect it, but I also look down at the fact that you'd ridicule the man that came to out school to kind of open up our eyes to see what sex can really do to you. I know that if the person you have sex with, whether or not your are married or not, can still give you what he/she has. It's the mere fact that this man was trying to have us take precaution and know about the other side of the argument. A lot of kids didn't appreciate some older guy coming in talking about how he understands our "desire for sexuality" but it was to open up our minds to understand really, what you're getting into when you have sex. Not only is it enjoyable, but it's deeper then just the physical actions... add a lot of emotion to that, unless you are just a "sex robot" like you stated... but people aren't like that... anyway, if you read deeper into the guys life, you'll realize that he wouldn't masturbate or cry because he's got "sex depravation"... if he is a youth pastor like you state, then it's not "masturbating" that holds him back, but his faith in following God's gospel. Sexual immorality hits high, especially to teens because some really don't care what they do with their life because they don't really have these morals, or anything like the Christian way of thinking. I just wanted to enlighten you about Faith, before you tried tearing down a person who might live by it. (which is not, at all, a bad thing) But chewing down someone because of it and placing crazy "facts" about how he handles thing, is out of this world.
If you really wanted to gain knowledge on why a person like him might want to hold off on sex, it's written in the Bible. It's also something that a lot of people think is worthy of saving for that one person instead of becoming a sex depot for anyone and everyone to use... the more you waste sex on people who you probably wouldn't even consider marrying, the less of a gift it actually is.

Thanks for reading this, if you read this at all Aaron.

:) -Julie-

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Re: Hey Aaron poe_kf December 6 2002, 21:40:09 UTC
"it was to open up our minds to understand really, what you're getting into when you have sex."
If sex is anything close to what he said it was, Im going to kill myself now.

"Sexual immorality hits high, especially to teens because some really don't care what they do with their life because they don't really have these morals, or anything like the Christian way of thinking."
Morals and "The Christian way of thinking", do not go hand in hand; that is to say, you can have morals and be non-Christian, and you can be Christian and not have morals.

"If you really wanted to gain knowledge on why a person like him might want to hold off on sex, it's written in the Bible."
Well, then, he should have done a better job of explaining it. And if this was a bible thing, he had no right coming to the school.

the more you waste sex on people who you probably wouldn't even consider marrying, the less of a gift it actually is.
In the words of one Tom Leykis, "For men, ejaculation is the same as urination." It needs to happen. If you want to deny suge a huge part of what being a human-being means, you can go ahead but dont pretend like sex is some gift. A furby is a gift, sex is a release. Yes, it's a part of love, but its meaning is not debased one iota just because you had done it with any other person.

And on the subject of marriage - does the idea even make sense? If two people really love each other, do they need a contract to prove it? Do they need to god say "OKAY SEX IS A-OKAY NOW", and have to people go to a church and be wed by a minister who may or maynot have molested a whole bunch of altar boys do to this whole abstinence thing in the first place?

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Re: Hey Aaron poe_kf December 6 2002, 21:42:31 UTC
Sorry for the mass amount of typos, Im tired/retarded.

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Also worth pointing out: mcdanger December 7 2002, 23:56:03 UTC
Sex is measured in quality AND quantity. If you have sex with 50 random strangers a night just because you're bored, then yeah, of course it's gonna be cheapened. If you have sex with 50 random strangers a night and it's the most beautiful, soul-fufilling sex you've ever experienced in your life each time, then of course sex is gonna be beautiful. But it's gonna be awkward as hell when you start off, which is one more reason not to save it 'till marriage. To wit: http://www.theonion.com/onion3510/awkward_sex_encounter.html

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what? schnemndrick December 8 2002, 02:29:26 UTC
"soul-fufilling sex you've ever experienced in your life each time"

well than I'll pray for those souls who actually think that random sex with anyone really brings them happiness that'll last forever... you'll get addicted to sex because those random one-night stands won't ever give you the satisfaction you'll get from being with one person, realizing that someone gave themselves to you and you only, for the rest of their lives.

C'mon, that's the only soul-fulfilling sex there is... and we all know this.

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Re: what? poe_kf December 8 2002, 20:25:20 UTC
"because those random one-night stands won't ever give you the satisfaction you'll get from being with one person"
Can you really speak for everyone?

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Re: what? schnemndrick December 9 2002, 19:26:14 UTC
I can speak from on, my brothers have shown me what sex can do to your lives... 1)living with your gf isn't a cool thing 2) having a child not married yet and struggling with relationship, also not cool 3) a perverted mind and soul for a brother who is now legal to go out to those gross strip-joints and drool over silicon, very VERY not good.

Um... and having had experience myself in this thing you call "sex" I know it's only trouble when you deal with it outside of marriage.

But... who's to say that I really do have a right to say something? I'm only human... right?

But yeah, all I can do is offer what I feel is laid on my heart.

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Re: what? mcdanger December 9 2002, 21:29:40 UTC
Touching a sock a person may have worn at one point in their life does not count as sex.

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oh boy... schnemndrick December 8 2002, 02:26:57 UTC
well the whole PACT of marriage is to signify that you're someone's forever and that forever you two will be partners... one... not a few or a dozen lovers in a lifetime. (which tends to happen MORE with people who aren't married)

What does it matter if this guys' interpretation is from the Bible? He didn't state anything FROM the Bible, only his and his wife's experiences and thoughts on sex. The information given was any information a caring person would want to get out to people.

There are a few teachers at Central who's live revolves around the Lord, and well, we're not throwing them out of school.

In most cases Christians DO have morals, but they may not line up to others'. Sometimes you hear of a "Christian" who has slid from the morals he/she use to have. But God offers forgiveness if you seriously mean things. (I know you might not appreciate me putting my two-cents and beliefs in this, but I've got to)

If you throw sex around like it's only a health benefit... things are going to go crazy. It might benefit life, infact I'm sure it does. I remember Teen Health and Health Occ., but sex is suppose to be love-making. Not some kind of wild animal act to exercise the body. Anyone who struggles with sexual tension can deal with it, but it depends on where you get your strength from. We're merely humans who really don't have the power over ourselves... that's why God is looked upon and looked for by so many people. Others believe that they're in power to do anything and everything. But that's how the world works now-a-days.

:) Thanks for reading

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Re: oh boy... mcdanger December 8 2002, 20:07:01 UTC
File this one under W for WEIRD:Love can exist outside of marriage. It's strange yet true! Believe it or not, some weirdos out there can actually manage to love each other without possesing a written contract! Is their sex somehow different from a married couple who love each other just as much?

People who preach waiting until marriage tend to, as I said in my essay, regard sex as though it's the Holy Grail. Yeah, it's fun, and yeah, it's a beautiful flowery thing between two people who love each other etc. etc. But for the love of God, don't read too deeply into it. You will not explode if you have sex with the wrong person. You will not be forever scarred because your first sexual experience was in the backseat of a car. You won't be thrown into a world of filth and depravity because you had sex on the third date. My first sexual experience was absolutely miserable. It was painful, awkward, and our eventual breakup was a messy, bitter experience. And you know what ended up happening to me?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Sex wasn't ruined. Well, okay, it was, but that's more because the girl was terrible and less because we felt like dirty fornicating sinners. The exact same thing could've happened on my honeymoon. Point is, I survived, and to be honest I'm glad it happened now instead of later.

In most cases Christians DO have morals, but they may not line up to others'. Sometimes you hear of a "Christian" who has slid from the morals he/she use to have.

You don't understand. I'm not talking about hypocrites, I'm talking about the Bible itself. Let's be reasonable here. Numerous "facts" from it are outdated by common sense alone. The Bible was written in a very different world, an ultraconservative society that saw nothing wrong with selling children into slavery. The world has changed. A lot. And just as technology and science advances, so do people. Today, we can say "Whoa now! I wouldn't have my children stoned just because they were disobediant!"

Anyone who struggles with sexual tension can deal with it, but it depends on where you get your strength from.

But why is it something you should have to 'struggle' with? Why can't it just be something you accept? You're not proving anything to anybody by repressing emotions. The Catholic priests sure weren't.

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Re: oh boy... schnemndrick December 9 2002, 19:36:33 UTC
I'm sure love CAN exist outside of marriage, but LOVE is not defined as just SEX. You can love someone to your fullest extent and still not succumb to sex... love is MORE then just sex. If you think the only sign of love IS sex, then you're mistaken. Love, is much more than that. It means much more then some "release" for guys and should be looked upon as something healthy for marriage, not health benefits.

The Bible isn't about OUR common sense. It's not called "Written by Humans Alone", it's God's word... HIS word... whether you think it to be common sense or not... in our world today, I KNOW we don't even live in the same way we did 5 years ago... but time DOES change... but the fact is, is that you can read the Bible and compare it to society today and find truths deep in the writing. It just takes someone looking and reading into it, seriously, to pick these things up. If you pick the book up just to critisize it, then no duh, you won't find anything beneficial to your spirituality. No one gets stoned, you can read that in the Bible, BUT people over in other countries dies everyday for their Christianity, not even just this faith, but others. I'm not Catholic, nor do I believe that the priests who are guilty in molesting child were acceptable. I don't apologize for what they did, because they know what they've done and there are two ways to go from where they are now... but that's not the case at hand. You repress your feelings so that you're not caught up in the impure stuff of today... You can come to understand this, or not. It's your choice, but like you faught with yourself in your own posting, sex DOES mess with emotions and relationships. I can also join a group who knows this, BUT- I don't take what I did as something great or beautiful, because, even though it was to ME, it wasn't RIGHT. But fortunately there's forgiveness in everything and hope in the thing that many, MANY seem to run from in life.

C'est la vie maintenant.

It's been a pleasure ;)

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Re: Hey Aaron mcdanger December 7 2002, 21:37:26 UTC
There was so much more I wanted to touch on in this essay, but if I wrote down all my thoughts on the topic, it'd easily surpass the 15-page mark, and getting teenagers to read a four-page essay is hard enough as is.

One of the pillars of my personal philosophy is the absolute faith in truth. No, not "truth" as it applies to the mistranslated myths of nomadic shepards 2,000 years ago, but the simple honest acknowledgement of your emotions and desires. Put simply (and less faggily), eat when you're hungry, drink when you're thirsty, sleep when you're tired, and when you're ready, you have sex. Denying yourself of anything, be it food, water, sleep, or emotional honesty, does not make you a morally better person. All it shows is that you're not being honest with yourself. If something makes you mad, you can't pretend you're not angry, because you really are. If you're sad, you can't pretend you aren't, because you are. And if you're a sexual being--and every single on of us is--you cannot pretend you're not, because you are. Sexuality is not a dirty thing, it's an emotion mankind arbitrarily decided to pretend didn't exist. But that ain't healthy. Repression breeds terrible, terrible things. As David said, just look at the Catholic church. The priests denied themselves as sexual beings, and it ended up being released on over 300 little boys.

I was exaggerating when I said he masturbates eighteen times a day, but whether or not he touches himself is frankly something I don't care to dwell on. I do know that he's proving nothing by denying himself of sex. The fact is that he wasn't denying himself of sex just because he was afraid of pregnancy, or just because he was afraid of STDs (which, I feel I must point out, is utter bullshit). Think back to all that crap he said about being "pure" and "respecting your body". If that man had an ounce of "respect" for his body he'd "respect" what it wanted instead of saying "Hey, guess what? Ever since I found Jesus I magically lost the desire to have sex! Really!". Sexuality, like any other emotion, is a series of chemical reactions in the brain. Jesus won't make those chemicals disappear. He'll only help you PRETEND they did.

And why deny yourself one of the most base human emotions? I cry when I'm sad. I don't deny it. I don't think I'm "disrespecting my body" when I cry. If I pretended I wasn't sad, the emotion would have to come out sooner or later. What makes sex any different?

Repression is bad, is what I'm saying. Repression for absolutely no reason is insane. I remember the night I lost God. I felt so incredibly relieved to know there was no one reading my every thought, waiting for me to slip up. It felt so good to not have to frantically mentally backpeddle every time I had a lustful though. When I hurt myself, I'd begin to swear mentally, but then immediately replace it with a lesser word because I was afraid God was watching. I was miserable. I'm no longer guarded by arbitrary rules from a "one-size-fits-all" book of archaic philosophy, and I'm a lot better for it. I wouldn't ask the Apostles to fix my TV, because technology changed. I wouldn't ask them to prepare my dinner, because nutrition changed. And I wouldn't ask them what to do with my disobediant son, because people changed. It's a simple fact.

This has gone on for way too long. If you want me to tear apart the idea of STDs, be my guest, but I'm tired and feel like going to bed. It's been a long day.

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again, what? schnemndrick December 8 2002, 02:33:03 UTC
-If that man had an ounce of "respect" for his body he'd "respect" what it wanted instead of saying "Hey, guess what? Ever since I found Jesus I magically lost the desire to have sex! Really!".-

what kind of respect are you really wanting then? because by saying this, you've totally just botched the whole "respect" value. It's the fact that you haven't been in the shoes of someone who's faith and strength comes from something higher then themselves. It's going to be awhile until people realize they're NOT their own God... they're not God at all... you can deny it and say things cruel to what I say and mean, but it'll never become clear until you feel the presence of something other then yourself and human form.

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