Unfortunately I think in 'PR' terms it does look very bad - for example, there was a girl from Huddersfield and a lad from Bradford on board and their families were all over the local news here last night.
I had no doubt about it. :( I think if it were deserved, I'd feel differently than I do, but I'm honestly sure that if the soldiers would have been violent "just because", than we would have seen far more than 9 dead at the end of this.
I didn't know about this. What are they saying?
And regardless... *hugs* It's good to be able to at least get it all out.
I assume they were in with this lot - to be honest I wasn't paying it great attention because I was making dinner the first time it was on and after the first few repeat showings you tune it out (the joys of 24-hour news!).
I did some digging around: this is the Huddersfield girl. The article references Stop the War. I can't find the BBC one (the shootings today have taken over the news) but the Have Your Say is here
Thank you for the links, hon. And I heard about the shootings, I'm so sorry. :( I wish we lived in a better world. *sigh*
I'll have a look at all the links you've given me, but in the meanwhile, what I'm hearing? Doesn't make me happy. Apparently, the "activists" who required medical help were taken to Israeli hospitals and when the staff tried to help them, they shouted at them, cursed and refused to be examined by anyone who isn't a Palestinian doctor. Like that behavior isn't bad enough, when a Palestinian doctor was brought for them, they shouted and cursed at him too for being a traitor.
Yeah, it's grim. I suppose we have so few incidents like that it's really shocking when it happens.
I was in town earlier and saw quite a few anti-Israel posters with stills from the news footage *sighs*
ETA: Just as a sidenote, I had Prime Minister's Questions on in the background (I'm sad like that) and Cameron has just called on Israel to end the blockade
You know what? That's the way it should be, few and far in between, verging on unheard of. *hugs* I hope that's the way it remains.
:( It breaks my heart. I'm reading one of the links you've posted and it's so disturbing, I've already picked up on several blatant lies (like that the Israeli soldiers opened fire from the helicopters, before landing on the Marmara - - no chance in hell that's the way it happened, and who would be stupid enough to shoot at people on a ship and then land there with only a paintball gun strapped behind their back? Certainly not my people). But people seem to be eating them up and saying if anyone's account isn't to be believed it's Israel's. Except, you know, it's the one that matches the facts and I've no doubt that further investigations will show precisely that
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Either we won't be able to comply, which means possibly international sanctions against us (God, I hope not) or we will comply and then Hammas will get stronger and stronger until we have no choice but to re-enter the Gaza Strip. I really don't want that.
I'm not going to claim any great knowledge but, yeah, neither is a 'good' solution. I don't know what the solution is
I think, to an extent, on the mainland we've forgotten what it's like to live with constant threat (the 2005 bombings excepted). A friend from Belgium was once with me at our local airport and she started complaining that there were no bins - now, to me, that was obvious (the IRA used to put bombs in bins), but it simply wasn't her experience, whereas one of my earliest memories is evacuating a shopping centre.
Honestly? Either for the Palestinian people to realize that no good will come to them from a Hammas-led government and for them to vote it out of power (after all, they're the ones who elected them in the first place) or for Hammas to start changing its mentality when it comes to Israel. That might happen if they're faced with losing power (and terrorists always claim to be all about ideaology, but they're also about power, getting it and sustaining it). The third option is for the talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority to reach understandings which would including the taking down of Hammas. Those are the options I see, at least, but I'm not sure how realistic any of them are
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I didn't know about this. What are they saying?
And regardless... *hugs* It's good to be able to at least get it all out.
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I assume they were in with this lot - to be honest I wasn't paying it great attention because I was making dinner the first time it was on and after the first few repeat showings you tune it out (the joys of 24-hour news!).
I did some digging around: this is the Huddersfield girl. The article references Stop the War. I can't find the BBC one (the shootings today have taken over the news) but the Have Your Say is here
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I'll have a look at all the links you've given me, but in the meanwhile, what I'm hearing? Doesn't make me happy. Apparently, the "activists" who required medical help were taken to Israeli hospitals and when the staff tried to help them, they shouted at them, cursed and refused to be examined by anyone who isn't a Palestinian doctor. Like that behavior isn't bad enough, when a Palestinian doctor was brought for them, they shouted and cursed at him too for being a traitor.
I don't get these people at all.
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I was in town earlier and saw quite a few anti-Israel posters with stills from the news footage *sighs*
ETA: Just as a sidenote, I had Prime Minister's Questions on in the background (I'm sad like that) and Cameron has just called on Israel to end the blockade
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:( It breaks my heart. I'm reading one of the links you've posted and it's so disturbing, I've already picked up on several blatant lies (like that the Israeli soldiers opened fire from the helicopters, before landing on the Marmara - - no chance in hell that's the way it happened, and who would be stupid enough to shoot at people on a ship and then land there with only a paintball gun strapped behind their back? Certainly not my people). But people seem to be eating them up and saying if anyone's account isn't to be believed it's Israel's. Except, you know, it's the one that matches the facts and I've no doubt that further investigations will show precisely that ( ... )
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I'm not going to claim any great knowledge but, yeah, neither is a 'good' solution. I don't know what the solution is
I think, to an extent, on the mainland we've forgotten what it's like to live with constant threat (the 2005 bombings excepted). A friend from Belgium was once with me at our local airport and she started complaining that there were no bins - now, to me, that was obvious (the IRA used to put bombs in bins), but it simply wasn't her experience, whereas one of my earliest memories is evacuating a shopping centre.
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