Comments | magicalweasal: Might be offensive, but it raises some good thought.

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Might be offensive, but it raises some good thought.

Mar 12, 2009 04:09

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The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption chron_job March 27 2009, 19:34:33 UTC

Hey there.. just popping in from atheism

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption moorephotos March 28 2009, 07:02:18 UTC

Does the ax raise itself above him who swings it,
or the saw boast against him who uses it?
As if a rod were to wield him who lifts it up,
or a club brandish him who is not wood!

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption chron_job March 29 2009, 02:18:59 UTC

Ah. Isaiah. But... Why do you think a bible quote would be authoritative for me? Why should you expect this to convince me? What do YOU think? And why?

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption magicalweasal March 29 2009, 05:24:01 UTC

I don't expect it to convince you. But since you brought this to my journal, I'm willing to be more forthfront with what I think.

A lot of people, including some Christians, have a problem when you talk about freewill. The idea of some "God", whoever he is, controlling things, really rubs people the wrong way.

But when you think about it, what kind of Creator that was/is completely and totally other and beyond his creation would let Him/her/itself be influenced by what it wants?

Or, to put it another way, when you pick up a pen to write with it, does it grab you and put your nose to the paper?

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption magicalweasal March 29 2009, 05:25:18 UTC

the it is referring back to creation influencing the creator

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption chron_job March 30 2009, 15:24:03 UTC

> I don't expect it to convince you ( ... )

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption magicalweasal March 30 2009, 16:28:01 UTC

You are right, you are a sentient being.

But, to God, a pen is all we are. Romans calls us all by nature objects of wrath, and you also have a verse that says can the pot say to the potter, why did you make me this way? That is all we are to him, are vessels and tools ( ... )

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption magicalweasal March 30 2009, 16:28:11 UTC

This is the last one.

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption chron_job March 30 2009, 17:10:11 UTC

> But, to God, a pen is all we are ( ... )

Re: The False Promise of Vicarious Redemption magicalweasal April 1 2009, 21:06:34 UTC

I've wanted to comment on this for the past two days, but haven't really had time ( ... )

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