Comments | maekala: Finally pushed to putting in my two cents

maekala

Finally pushed to putting in my two cents

May 30, 2007 16:48

So most people should know what's going on with LJ and deleting journals because of interests in people's user info. If you haven't, then you've either dropped off the face of the earth and not walked in fandom for a day or you don't care. If you don't care, then walk on by. If you do, then I guess this could be for you ( Read more... )

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paraka May 31 2007, 01:06:00 UTC

I'm kind of with you on a lot of this. Migrating just won't be easy. I'm sure at some point in the future it'll happen, but it'll be a mess and a lot of people will lose touch, and groups will be torn apart ( ... )

maekala June 4 2007, 19:14:03 UTC

...I just tried to post a comment and my damn server said it was busy...I'm going to try and repost what I wrote, but I may forget stuff...

1) Even if people make a fan run blog, it'll still have to have TOS, and it'll still be subject to laws, and there will still be a PTBs since it's going to have to be hosted somewhere....

That's basically what I was trying to say in this option. People don't seem to have realized that we cannot create an independent fan run blog that is anywhere near comparable to LJ. Wherever we go, there are going to be laws and TOS that we're maybe violating (definitely, in most places).

2)I *hate* forums. So very very much. As for meta not lasting as long on LJ? Thank god. When people spend too long talking (arguing, slinging mud, etc) about something, well there's burn out, and hurt feelings, and really, how long can you really talk about something? I much prefer LJ, where it lasts a week, but everyone can have their say on their own journals.I have never really been able to use forums effectively. I ( ... )

Part I paraka June 5 2007, 16:59:18 UTC

People don't seem to have realized that we cannot create an independent fan run blog that is anywhere near comparable to LJ. Wherever we go, there are going to be laws and TOS that we're maybe violating (definitely, in most places).
To be fair, a lot of the people floating the ideas of fanrun things were talking about doing it in other countries that don't have stringent laws, like Russia.

I have never really been able to use forums effectively. I don't know if that's just my ignorance or something of a resistance since I don't like them either.The thing is, I like having everything I want to read come to me. Like with Yahoo, you get e-mails, with LJ you have a flist, with forums though, you have to just read everything. Often they'll be put into topics, but still, if you want to read 20 different topics, you have to go to each different forum. I hate that. Also a lot of the forums I've seen just put posts in chronological order, so if you're replying to the first comment, there may be 2, 20, 200 comments between the first and yours ( ... )

Re: Part I maekala June 5 2007, 18:27:41 UTC

To be fair, a lot of the people floating the ideas of fanrun things were talking about doing it in other countries that don't have stringent laws, like Russia.The one I saw was Dutch, but I do realize that they are/were thinking about foreign sites. While I have no problem with Dutch or Russian or Chinese or whatever nationality run blogs, you also have to take other things into consideration: if the site is run in Russian or Dutch as a default, that's gonna cause problems. The majority of fandom stuff is run in English. I don't know if it's become the default because more English speakers are involved in fandom or what, but that's the way things are right now. Even if you can set the site to default English later, you will have the problem of those fandom people who cannot run a site in another non-romance language. I know that the first time I viewed a page that was in Chinese or Japanese or Russian or Arabic I had to install a language pack. And there are some people who just can't do that, be it because of incompatibility or ( ... )

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Here via metafandom gmth June 2 2007, 03:59:14 UTC

Re: point 3, Yahoo also has a history of deleting groups without warning. I was a mod of two slash mailing lists over there that were deleted, and I know of at least 5-6 others that were as well. All those fics in the archives just... poof. And unlike LJ, we had no appeal. We wrote to Yahoo and got no response. They were never re-instated. Yahoo groups are not a viable alternative to LJ, IMO.

Re: Here via metafandom maekala June 4 2007, 19:16:10 UTC

Which groups were you in that were deleted? I think I vaguely remember hearing about this, but I don't recall the specifics. And that brings in another problem with the Yahoo groups...unless you, personally, were involved in many fandoms, there weren't as many opportunities for fandom crossing among friends.

Re: Here via metafandom gmth June 4 2007, 20:59:23 UTC

The two that were deleted that I modded were Roughside and Beloved Enemies. We've since set up LJ comms but those lists were around for 3-4 years before being deleted and a lot of stuff was lost.

Re: Here via metafandom maekala June 5 2007, 17:23:33 UTC

I don't think I ever heard about those. What fandom were they in?

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maekala June 4 2007, 19:18:07 UTC

Oh, most definitely. I was surprised when LJ was able to get back to use in what? A week? And the fact that we got a response on the *front page* was what really surprised me. I fully expected people to eventually post e-mail responses from LJ in maybe a month. Minimum. Or a little side note later this year saying, oh by way, here's that response we've been waiting on.