because I know way too much about CI and am watching way too much CM (and I've had strong coffee)

[lynnez59]

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[goddessdster]

HA! I feel I have slightly influenced you in breaking your silence in re: talking about CI and CM! I do not feel guilty about this. The rest of my flist needs to know we are out there

[lynnez59]

I never said I thought Goren and Reid were similar personality wise because I don't really...though it really does bother me how similar some of the basics are of their backstories. I think with early CI you could see some similarities just in the akwardness they both can have and how little jokes and things like that get by them because they're so wrapped up in all these little facts, except Reid is in an evironment where his professional peers get him and he's more awkward socially, where early Goren we see more the opposite at times because he's working in an environment that isn't as open to his methods (i.e. Poison CI s.1

To me, Patinkin will always be Inigo Montoya

[goddessdster]

I just wrote an entire comment disagreeing with you, but then I thought, who the fuck cares? We bring our own perceptions, perspectives, wishes, and desires to the characters we like. So therefore when you and I watch any of these shows, we're each seeing something completely different. For example, you saw killing Haley as gratuitous, I saw it as a necessary plot point to move Hotch's character (much like Tara's death on Buffy - dead gay character aside) to a new level, or he was never going to change and grow.

And I don't care for S1 CM because I couldn't stand Elle.

Re: To me, Patinkin will always be Inigo Montoya

[lynnez59]

We bring our own perceptions, perspectives, wishes, and desires to the characters we like. So therefore when you and I watch any of these shows, we're each seeing something completely different.

Exactly -- that's what makes it fun to talk about. Who needs concrete truths like math and science.*Phf*

And I really didn't like Elle either. As far as Haley...I do appreciate the fact that they went for it because it was definitly a risk writing wise and I will say I was glued to the screen the whole episode...but I don't know. It was just so horrible...

And I haven't seen "Princess Bride" in forever. Though apparently ROUS are real! My mom was watching something and they had something on it about this jumbo rats the size of dogs.

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[goddessdster]

Oh, I could talk about it all until the end of time. But sometimes I get possessive about my Reid and my Goren, and it's not that I don't respect your perspective (because I do a whole bunch), but I get defensive, like I have to protect mine, or something. I'm as crazy as everyone else sometimes.

"100" as an episode was a work of brilliance. One of the tensest hours of television I've ever seen. That's another reason I love CM, the quality to it. The pacing, direction, lighting, music, all of it contributes in some qualitative way to the episode. They have one of the best music directors I've heard on a television show, I was reminded of that when rewatching "Revelations" (the Reid gets kidnapped episode from S2) and the opening sequence as the team shows up at Tobias Henkel's shack to the background music of the Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil," set a brilliant tense tone for the rest of the episode.

We have jumbo rats the size of cats, but they are actually nutria. Some people eat them. I do not.

Edited for spelling fail.

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[lynnez59]

I get possessive about my Reid and my Goren,I get that -- I mean you see how stumbly and "butbutbut" I get when defending myEames...so I get it. But I also like talking about this stuff and hearing how/why (there has to be why) other people see these same characters differently because we all place parts of ourselves in them when we write them and the fact that we want to write them at all I think would speak to the fact that we identify with these characters for reason or another, though what this is may be completely different

4-legged animals are tasty

[goddessdster]

Oh, I think it's an interesting discussion to have. I mean, squeeing is fun, but unproductive. Thing is, if identifying with a character is a prerequisite for writing them (and I agree with you there), then I don't know why I want to write Reid. As much as I love him, I don't see parts of myself in him. But I do think he's the most complex character on a show filled with complex characters. He's also the most emotionally cut-off, which may be something I DO actually identify with, so there is something.

But mostly, I was happy just loving CM the same way I love Bones and NCIS, no need to write more stories. I believe my desire to write in it is partly because the fandom is filled with crappy writers, and I want to write something I would want to read, and partly because Reid is a fascinating character to me, and I guess I want to get to know my Reid better. Through his hair.

[lynnez59]

Oh and I meant to say - you're welcome to steal my Hotch/puppet Angel comparison if you ever come across a place it would be useful fic. It's doubtful I'd ever write CM fic unless it was coupled with CI...

[goddessdster]

Interestingly, no one ever makes Buffy references on that show. I keep waiting...