Who played Borusa in 'The Five Doctors'? (I'm too lazy to look on IMDB!)
Oh, but when Andred gets injured and Leela says to him, "We'll do this my way." I'm very, very amused, because there's no doubt that's how it'll be from now on...
She's *definitely* going to be wearing the trousers in that relationship!!
Of course metaphorical trousers (though I thought Leela looked way hotter in trousers and roll neck sweater in 'Horror of Fang Rock' than she ever did in her 'savage' outfits!)
Oh, Borusa - I think it was Leonard Sachs, but I might well be thinking of Arc of Infinity. (I don't mean I hate the others; I just mean that this is the definitive Borusa for me. He doesn't seem to have much luck with regeneration!)
Oh, yes, and why does Leela leave to marry Andred?
Because they were trying to get Louise Jameson to stay (even after she said she wasn't going to) and as a result hadn't written a proper ending for her. Louise Jameson has said that she asked for them to kill Leela, but they refused to. She hates the ending. She called it "awful" and "ridiculous" in DWM.
But the very end, when she's talking to K-9 and they both put their heads down, makes me wibble a little bit. Oh, Leela ♥
Heh. I know. Even if I didn't already from DWM, I've just listened to the commentary. ;-) But narratively? They make a reasonable start and each time I think I'm going to be able to mentally sneak in a story there and then at the end, I'm left going, No, it still doesn't make sense.
Ooh, commentaries?! I really need to invest in more Who DVDs. I loves me some good commentaries.
The second time I was really trying to pay attention to Leela and Andred to see if I maybe missed something the first time that makes the ending make sense, and I agree, it still doesn't, though the actors try, bless. There's more in the text to support Leela/Rodan (♥) than Leela/Andred. Or they could just have a threesome.
Yes, I love DW commentaries. Well, some of them. Especially the ones with Janet and Peter. Invasion of Time I was worried might be very dull, but it was okay, quite interesting in the end. (Mostly thanks to John Leeson being K9).
I know, I do the same thing with Leela and Andred each time. At least it is pretty good fun spotting the moments the actors despertaely put in there. And you're probably right about the rest, but *ahem*. ;-D
I had to laugh when I read this, because I'm in the middle of a rewatch of "Invasion of Time" right now! I've only watched part one so far, and is it my imagination, or does the pronunciation of "Gallifrey" change halfway through? I could've sworn the Doctor starts out saying GalliFREE and ends up saying GalliFRAY (and yes, I know the pronunciation has varied in Classic, but in the middle of an episode???)
Things I like: Borusa. John Arnatt IS Borusa
Seconded. His relationship with the Doctor is key to the story, and it's just done so very well. He's my absolute favorite Borusa.
the Sontarans are the real point - without them the first four episodes wouldn't workInteresting. I haven't gotten there yet on the rewatch, but I remember thinking that the Sontarans felt tacked on, and I used to wonder why they didn't just end with the defeat of the Vardans. Not that the Sontarans weren't one of the best damn cliffhanger surprises ever, because they were -- when I first saw this, I had no idea that it wasn't a four-parter. I was
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It's kind of funny plot. If there wasn't a double point to the Vardans invasion (that they're being used by the Sontarans) it would feel kind of flat, wouldn't it? And they turn up for a great cliffhanger. And then run around Gallifrey.
I'm sure you're right about the pronounciation. It wouldn't be the first or the last time!!
Wonderful and tedious? This is DW. It can be anything, so I'm not surprised. (The Doctor clearly has his desktop setting on institutional brick in this one.) I mean, the thing is, Leela runs around the universe picking up slightly useless males, so it's not as OOC as it should be, but in eps 5-6 no one bothers to give them a scene or two where they can convince us.
OK - ep 4 - watch for when everyone charges into the President's quarters (Leela crashes straight into Andred) and Leela hugs him at the cliffhanger. In eps 5-6 there is much handholding (and one moment in the console room, when she looks stroppy at being dragged away from him), plus the getting injured scene. See if you can spot more.
"Institutional brick" -- LOL! And I think you're absolutely right about Leela being attracted to hapless men over warrior men. I just never bought that her character would give up traveling with the Doctor to settle down. As you say, a Leela/Andred scene or two might've sold it, though, and it's not as if there was too much plot in episodes 5 and 6 to make room for it.
Just rewatched part two last night (saw the "What a girl!" moment, YES!), and I have to throw in that Tom Baker's acting in this is fantastic. I mean, he's always good, but here he is absolutely stellar.
Thanks to my 'Happy Endings' fics, I have spent more time than I care to admit to over the past couple of months worrying about Leela's love life, so definitely. If they're liable to be in need of protecting, she's happy. Even more so if they also know big words she doesn't. :-D (And I quite like her leaving this way, except for the ridiculous lack of any actual romance, because she'll stay, tell Andred what to do, carry on learning and make sure Gallifrey never quite manages to get back to normal, ever.)
And, heh heh. I'm not sure if that's what he's meant to be doing, but it's nice to know someone else agrees!! :lol:
Yes, Tom Baker is great. My review had got so long I left out that all-too-obvious statement.
I'm watching The Ribos Operation now and much as I love Mary Tamn as Romana, I'm thinking: What would Leela do? Who would she be running round with this time? (Unstoffe, obviously...) I'm sure I'll get over it in time. ;-)
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Oh, but when Andred gets injured and Leela says to him, "We'll do this my way." I'm very, very amused, because there's no doubt that's how it'll be from now on...
She's *definitely* going to be wearing the trousers in that relationship!!
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Oh, Borusa - I think it was Leonard Sachs, but I might well be thinking of Arc of Infinity. (I don't mean I hate the others; I just mean that this is the definitive Borusa for me. He doesn't seem to have much luck with regeneration!)
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Because they were trying to get Louise Jameson to stay (even after she said she wasn't going to) and as a result hadn't written a proper ending for her. Louise Jameson has said that she asked for them to kill Leela, but they refused to. She hates the ending. She called it "awful" and "ridiculous" in DWM.
But the very end, when she's talking to K-9 and they both put their heads down, makes me wibble a little bit. Oh, Leela ♥
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And, yes, the very end. Aww.
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The second time I was really trying to pay attention to Leela and Andred to see if I maybe missed something the first time that makes the ending make sense, and I agree, it still doesn't, though the actors try, bless. There's more in the text to support Leela/Rodan (♥) than Leela/Andred. Or they could just have a threesome.
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I know, I do the same thing with Leela and Andred each time. At least it is pretty good fun spotting the moments the actors despertaely put in there. And you're probably right about the rest, but *ahem*. ;-D
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Things I like: Borusa. John Arnatt IS Borusa
Seconded. His relationship with the Doctor is key to the story, and it's just done so very well. He's my absolute favorite Borusa.
the Sontarans are the real point - without them the first four episodes wouldn't workInteresting. I haven't gotten there yet on the rewatch, but I remember thinking that the Sontarans felt tacked on, and I used to wonder why they didn't just end with the defeat of the Vardans. Not that the Sontarans weren't one of the best damn cliffhanger surprises ever, because they were -- when I first saw this, I had no idea that it wasn't a four-parter. I was ( ... )
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I'm sure you're right about the pronounciation. It wouldn't be the first or the last time!!
Wonderful and tedious? This is DW. It can be anything, so I'm not surprised. (The Doctor clearly has his desktop setting on institutional brick in this one.) I mean, the thing is, Leela runs around the universe picking up slightly useless males, so it's not as OOC as it should be, but in eps 5-6 no one bothers to give them a scene or two where they can convince us.
OK - ep 4 - watch for when everyone charges into the President's quarters (Leela crashes straight into Andred) and Leela hugs him at the cliffhanger. In eps 5-6 there is much handholding (and one moment in the console room, when she looks stroppy at being dragged away from him), plus the getting injured scene. See if you can spot more.
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Just rewatched part two last night (saw the "What a girl!" moment, YES!), and I have to throw in that Tom Baker's acting in this is fantastic. I mean, he's always good, but here he is absolutely stellar.
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And, heh heh. I'm not sure if that's what he's meant to be doing, but it's nice to know someone else agrees!! :lol:
Yes, Tom Baker is great. My review had got so long I left out that all-too-obvious statement.
I'm watching The Ribos Operation now and much as I love Mary Tamn as Romana, I'm thinking: What would Leela do? Who would she be running round with this time? (Unstoffe, obviously...) I'm sure I'll get over it in time. ;-)
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