Do you know about the timeline problem with Nathan being the Colorado Kid's father? This is Haven, of course there's a timeline problem.
The events of "Sarah" took place on Aug. 16, 1955. (Date in newspaper with Roy's obituary.) James Cogan was born on Aug. 31, 1956. (Date on his missing person's flyer.)
Actually, checking the neck is a really good idea, and I certainly didn't think of it. It had occurred to me that Nathan could vouch for Audrey - based on his Trouble - and it would be easy-peasy for the Teagues to test each other. And I don't really get why they so easily dismissed testing Duke by activating his strength Trouble.
The scene where Audrey questioned Claire actually stands up to 20-20 hindsight scrutiny. Sure, she got some things wrong, but she was able to dismiss them as her testing Audrey.
It also occurred to me that Claire could have been the skinwalker all along, (and been swapping out for other identities), but then she wouldn't have gotten stuff wrong. Plus, both she and Tommy were in the haunted house at the same time.
I am sad that Claire is (probably) dead. I liked her character.
And I'm also wondering if Duke could be considered to have two Troubles. Becuase getting a surge of strength when you get the blood of a Troubled person on you is not really the same as purging a person's Trouble from their bloodline by killing them. related, certainly, but not *that* closely.
Obviously, someone has a jaywalking Trouble that allows safe jaywalking throughout Haven.
Crap, it was August '55? I would've sworn it was April.
I'd also swear that somewhere along the way, someone said James was born in '55. (Which is really odd that I'd remember that over the missing persons flyer, because I am way more visual than auditory.) When I do my re-watch over the winter break, I'll try to remember to listen/watch for those details.
In addition to looking for the hole in the back of the neck (and I keep flashing back to Stargate SG-1 and checking for Goa'uld), wouldn't there need to be a way to, y'know, get the skin off the body? In which case there'd be more than just that one little hole. There'd be a zipper or something down the back. :p~ (Unless part of the skinwalker's ability is removing the skin from a dead person without ruining it?)
Reviewing the last time Claire was in the same room as Tommy was on my list of things to do. siricerasi also said Claire was watching an interrogation with Tommy through the window in 3x07.
I am convinced that the only reason they didn't test Duke for Dukeness using his Trouble was for the excuse of bringing up his and Audrey's kiss. (And, ha, how's this for a fic idea: Nathan witnessing that little conversation through the one-way mirror.)
And unrelated to the ep but something that occurred to me today: Garland warned Nathan about falling in love with Audrey because she'd want to take risks for him and that might put the town in jeopardy. What if he knew about Lucy not wanting to go into the barn, and what if that reason was because she'd figured out her connection to James and didn't want to forget him again? So he'd know that love had tempted her to stay once, and it might tempt her again. (Not the same kind of love, obviously, but it's powerful in any of its forms.) And he didn't get time to know Audrey well enough to know that she'd leave voluntarily, regardless. (That's a very interesting personality difference, IMO. You'd think that staying or going would be an integral part of who she is no matter the personality imprint, but apparently not.)
Er, yes, I may have spent the past hour and a half watching A/N vids on YouTube. *cough*
At the very end of 3x06 Real Estate, every single active regular or recurring character were all standing out on the front lawn watching the house blow up. So at that point, at least, everyone but Tommy was alive. (Let's make assumptions that there's only one.)
I actually liked this for different reasons - I tend to think of Haven as a show with not many characters. To prove me wrong, there was that scene with Audrey, Nathan, Duke, Vince, Dave, Dwight, Tommy, Jordan, and Claire.
This episode reminded me quite a bit of "Village of the Damned" (the movie, mostly the John Carpenter version, although I like the original too.) The opening sequence is about a small town where everyone abruptly falls asleep/unconscious/comatose for several hours. (Okay, the reason is that
And what the Haven episode didn't mention at all, but in the movie a few people die as a result - most memorably, someone collapses onto a hot grill at the town picnic (ewwww), but also someone drives into the sleep zone and plows into a gasoline tanker or something like that.
So the episode completely ignored some practicalities like - what about people that were swimming? Driving at 60 miles an hour? Doing other not-usually dangerous things? And what about people in neighboring towns? Nobody tried to go to Haven and either went into a coma or called the state patrol saying "hey! everyone's sleeping!"
At first blush I also want to say that not everyone reacts to comas in the same way - were newborns or the elderly on the same clock? But then this is a Trouble, not a real coma, so maybe they were.
There is still much we don't know about what Lucy knew. Remember, the real Lucy Ripley said that Audrey/Lucy said "she'd found out the terrible secret behind the Troubles and how to stop them." Now, that could mean going into the barn, but I'm guessing not.
Also, I want to know if people that were asleep when they went into a coma (maybe Duke?) (no, wait, it was only my fic where Duke sleeps until noon) all woke up at the same time? Does being in a coma for 12 hours count as a good night's sleep?
That scene may be the only one where so many regular/recurring characters are in one place. Certainly no other comes to mind.
Your Village of the Damned comment got cut off. But I have read The Midwich (sp?) Cuckoos and recall the general plot, and IIRC it's the inspiration for the movie.
Haven generally ignores a lot of practicalities. *g* There's an awful lot of *handwave*ing and "okay, we'll forgive you that one because I like you so much" with this show.
I suspect that re-watching the series will just make things more confusing, but that is still my goal later this month/early January. And I have S1-2 on DVD so I can even watch on the big screen rather than just the laptop!
It actually makes sense that Duke sleeps late, because if he's up late 'til closing then that doesn't leave many hours for sleeping (unless he's like my sister and can go on way too little sleep for extended periods of time). Except for Audrey Parker's Day Off and the fact that he's there very early putting up the sign for Taco Tuesday. :p~
Oh, and no, comas do not count as good sleep. But as you noted, this was a Trouble so all bets are off.
My comment got cut off because I started saying something, got distracted, forget that I'd started saying something, and posted the response.
One of the things that I don't get is when Haven is referred to as horror. It's an adventure show. Sure, it's got that Stephen King pedigree, and it has a body count, but I don't find it particularly dark. (But then, I watch The Walking Dead. It? Is dark.) I don't think it really needs to be darker. I just don't think of it as horror.
And, yeah, there's a lot of handwaving. If you think too much about some people's Troubles, it's crazy. But, as you say, we forgive them because we love them.
Oh, it's probably safe for you to watch the YouTube videos and read the Twitter stuff now. Um, and if you can read it at the Library I'd really appreciate it. I put a lot of work into those transcriptions, and it would be nice to know that at least one person read it through. The YouTube videos are integrated into the Twitter text, so as you read through the Twitter transcript you'll be prompted to watch the videos.
Did I tell you that I added a hit counter to the Library and that people are actually visiting it? Shocked the heck out of me.
My guess is that people who classify Haven as 'horror' have never actually watched the show. They know it's based on a Stephen King novel and they assume.
I'd forgotten about the YouTube and Twitter stuff, actually. Maybe I'll check it out this weekend. Or maybe I'll save it for a few weeks for when the withdrawal hits. ;)
I use the HPL to check names a lot (I'm terrible with names). I didn't know you'd added a hit counter. It's always good to have confirmation that your time's well used, eh?
The events of "Sarah" took place on Aug. 16, 1955. (Date in newspaper with Roy's obituary.)
James Cogan was born on Aug. 31, 1956. (Date on his missing person's flyer.)
Actually, checking the neck is a really good idea, and I certainly didn't think of it. It had occurred to me that Nathan could vouch for Audrey - based on his Trouble - and it would be easy-peasy for the Teagues to test each other. And I don't really get why they so easily dismissed testing Duke by activating his strength Trouble.
The scene where Audrey questioned Claire actually stands up to 20-20 hindsight scrutiny. Sure, she got some things wrong, but she was able to dismiss them as her testing Audrey.
It also occurred to me that Claire could have been the skinwalker all along, (and been swapping out for other identities), but then she wouldn't have gotten stuff wrong. Plus, both she and Tommy were in the haunted house at the same time.
I am sad that Claire is (probably) dead. I liked her character.
And I'm also wondering if Duke could be considered to have two Troubles. Becuase getting a surge of strength when you get the blood of a Troubled person on you is not really the same as purging a person's Trouble from their bloodline by killing them. related, certainly, but not *that* closely.
Obviously, someone has a jaywalking Trouble that allows safe jaywalking throughout Haven.
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I'd also swear that somewhere along the way, someone said James was born in '55. (Which is really odd that I'd remember that over the missing persons flyer, because I am way more visual than auditory.) When I do my re-watch over the winter break, I'll try to remember to listen/watch for those details.
In addition to looking for the hole in the back of the neck (and I keep flashing back to Stargate SG-1 and checking for Goa'uld), wouldn't there need to be a way to, y'know, get the skin off the body? In which case there'd be more than just that one little hole. There'd be a zipper or something down the back. :p~ (Unless part of the skinwalker's ability is removing the skin from a dead person without ruining it?)
Reviewing the last time Claire was in the same room as Tommy was on my list of things to do. siricerasi also said Claire was watching an interrogation with Tommy through the window in 3x07.
I am convinced that the only reason they didn't test Duke for Dukeness using his Trouble was for the excuse of bringing up his and Audrey's kiss. (And, ha, how's this for a fic idea: Nathan witnessing that little conversation through the one-way mirror.)
And unrelated to the ep but something that occurred to me today: Garland warned Nathan about falling in love with Audrey because she'd want to take risks for him and that might put the town in jeopardy. What if he knew about Lucy not wanting to go into the barn, and what if that reason was because she'd figured out her connection to James and didn't want to forget him again? So he'd know that love had tempted her to stay once, and it might tempt her again. (Not the same kind of love, obviously, but it's powerful in any of its forms.) And he didn't get time to know Audrey well enough to know that she'd leave voluntarily, regardless. (That's a very interesting personality difference, IMO. You'd think that staying or going would be an integral part of who she is no matter the personality imprint, but apparently not.)
Er, yes, I may have spent the past hour and a half watching A/N vids on YouTube. *cough*
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I actually liked this for different reasons - I tend to think of Haven as a show with not many characters. To prove me wrong, there was that scene with Audrey, Nathan, Duke, Vince, Dave, Dwight, Tommy, Jordan, and Claire.
This episode reminded me quite a bit of "Village of the Damned" (the movie, mostly the John Carpenter version, although I like the original too.) The opening sequence is about a small town where everyone abruptly falls asleep/unconscious/comatose for several hours. (Okay, the reason is that
And what the Haven episode didn't mention at all, but in the movie a few people die as a result - most memorably, someone collapses onto a hot grill at the town picnic (ewwww), but also someone drives into the sleep zone and plows into a gasoline tanker or something like that.
So the episode completely ignored some practicalities like - what about people that were swimming? Driving at 60 miles an hour? Doing other not-usually dangerous things? And what about people in neighboring towns? Nobody tried to go to Haven and either went into a coma or called the state patrol saying "hey! everyone's sleeping!"
At first blush I also want to say that not everyone reacts to comas in the same way - were newborns or the elderly on the same clock? But then this is a Trouble, not a real coma, so maybe they were.
There is still much we don't know about what Lucy knew. Remember, the real Lucy Ripley said that Audrey/Lucy said "she'd found out the terrible secret behind the Troubles and how to stop them." Now, that could mean going into the barn, but I'm guessing not.
Also, I want to know if people that were asleep when they went into a coma (maybe Duke?) (no, wait, it was only my fic where Duke sleeps until noon) all woke up at the same time? Does being in a coma for 12 hours count as a good night's sleep?
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Your Village of the Damned comment got cut off. But I have read The Midwich (sp?) Cuckoos and recall the general plot, and IIRC it's the inspiration for the movie.
Haven generally ignores a lot of practicalities. *g* There's an awful lot of *handwave*ing and "okay, we'll forgive you that one because I like you so much" with this show.
I suspect that re-watching the series will just make things more confusing, but that is still my goal later this month/early January. And I have S1-2 on DVD so I can even watch on the big screen rather than just the laptop!
It actually makes sense that Duke sleeps late, because if he's up late 'til closing then that doesn't leave many hours for sleeping (unless he's like my sister and can go on way too little sleep for extended periods of time). Except for Audrey Parker's Day Off and the fact that he's there very early putting up the sign for Taco Tuesday. :p~
Oh, and no, comas do not count as good sleep. But as you noted, this was a Trouble so all bets are off.
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One of the things that I don't get is when Haven is referred to as horror. It's an adventure show. Sure, it's got that Stephen King pedigree, and it has a body count, but I don't find it particularly dark. (But then, I watch The Walking Dead. It? Is dark.) I don't think it really needs to be darker. I just don't think of it as horror.
And, yeah, there's a lot of handwaving. If you think too much about some people's Troubles, it's crazy. But, as you say, we forgive them because we love them.
Oh, it's probably safe for you to watch the YouTube videos and read the Twitter stuff now. Um, and if you can read it at the Library I'd really appreciate it. I put a lot of work into those transcriptions, and it would be nice to know that at least one person read it through. The YouTube videos are integrated into the Twitter text, so as you read through the Twitter transcript you'll be prompted to watch the videos.
Did I tell you that I added a hit counter to the Library and that people are actually visiting it? Shocked the heck out of me.
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I'd forgotten about the YouTube and Twitter stuff, actually. Maybe I'll check it out this weekend. Or maybe I'll save it for a few weeks for when the withdrawal hits. ;)
I use the HPL to check names a lot (I'm terrible with names). I didn't know you'd added a hit counter. It's always good to have confirmation that your time's well used, eh?
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