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[liquidmusezak]

(ed. note: this entry was originally written at 1am this morning. since whether I can connect to the internet at any point depends on the fickle mercy of my neighbor's wireless connection, I was unable to post this until now).I just got back from the greatest Jdate EVER

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[tessai]

I thought you were going to tell a story about one of the three actual dudes trying to pick you up.

Yes, as ashamed as I am to admit that I am watching some VH1 Celebreality programming - I have been watching The Pick Up Artist as well. I always think "well, I can't actually USE these things - most girls watch VH1, so they will have seen it already"... and here's proof. And I don't really like the idea of using the pre-scripted stuff that they use because it SOUNDS scripted.

"Hey, I'm throwing a bachelor party..."
"You totally aren't throwing a bachelor party."

Then again, I would probably want the girl even more if she called me out on that bullshit.

The funniest thing is to see these fuckin' tools be the experts. Apparently to pick up women, you should get a fuzzy Jamiroquai hat and go by some one-word name. "Hi, my name... is Enigma... but my friends call me Conundrum." I laughed my ass off when he told one of the guys that he needed to work on his avatar. Although they do have the confidence aspect of it going on, it seems like the whole going out of your way to be different/rebellious/mysterious is a bit much.

The other thing that bothers me is the elimination aspect of it. I know no reality show is complete without those, but I don't care who "wins" the "competition" - I am watching more to see how the guys progress. And the nature of the eliminations makes it so that the guys who are in the worst shape and need the MOST help, get eliminated first, and those are the guys whose transformations would probably be the most interesting. 45-year-old virgin guy made ZERO progress really - I wanted to see if the PUAs could work their magic on him, but now we'll never know.

I would like to know how he did the magic trick though, just for fun.

[liquidmusezak]

I totally see your skepticism, and I think it's totally justified. But, as a woman who has been reading about this, it's honestly pretty perfect. It's entertaining, and even knowing what I did, I really enjoyed the conversation and was definitely more attracted to the guy talking to us after it was all over. Whereas I would not have gone up to talk to him, him talking to us obviously increased his chances. And the fact that we didn't have a boring talk about our jobs increased his appeal.

And I think peacocking is pretty great. It definitely does give women an excuse to talk to you...Mystery's advice if a woman comes up to you and says she thinks your hat/glasses/goggles/mesh shirt is ridiculous, you respond "No you don't, you're attracted to me." Which I think is a stellar response.

I'm with you on the elimination. It seems contrary to the nature of the show, that ANYBODY can use these methods and become a master pick-up artist. I get the sense that the elimination was sort of required by the producers, in a we-need-to-ensure-good-ratings kind of way.

So here's the psychic trick:

You use this trick after you've used the pick-a-number trick and been incorrect (or I guess to further affirm your psychic-ness). You need to have a wingman for this.

You take a bar napkin and tear it into nine pieces (three strips, then tear the three strips into three pieces each). Place the pieces in a 3x3 square on the bar, and tell the target to pick one after you walk away. You tell her that your wingman is going to stay to make sure you've picked one. Leave. Your wingman bears witness to the piece that she picks. When you get back to the bar, your wingman puts his beer down on his napkin in the position of the piece your target selected. For example, if she picks the top left piece, then the wingman puts his beer glass on the top left corner of his drink napkin. Then you make a big show out of trying to feel the psychic vibes before picking the right piece.

[tessai]

I too have discovered that talking about boring topics like, what do you do/do you live around here/where did you go to school etc. are bad, especially at first, and I realized it sends the vibe towards that of a job interview. In fact, if the girl starts asking me boring questions I will even say "what is this, a job interview? Let's talk about something interesting like..." and pick a more interesting subject.

And yeah, I'd answer similarly to Mystery...

"That's a great/funny shirt."
"I know, and I look so damn sexy in it, don't I?"

Maybe the structured conversations are helpful to those kinds of guys that need it - I guess I just prefer to wing it and let the conversation flow naturally. After all, if I want to attract a girl, I want her to get to know ME and not just some scripts, you know? I've just found that as long as I'm confident and funny and avoid the aforementioned boring topics, I do pretty well.

[liquidmusezak]

teehee - i have no doubt that you do excellently ;o) your line in response to boring questions is pretty classic.

i was actually just reading a post on a message forum that responded to guys getting really upset that the methods were out there now, and the post was something like, "come on, please don't tell me that you are still out there doing 'the best friends test.'" I guess the whole goal of having canned material is for your game to eventually evolve to the point where there is no material, you're just freeballin' it.

[tessai]

Link me to some of these message boards!

[liquidmusezak]

Okay!

http://venusianarts.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=20

http://wwv.themysterymethod.com/forum/index.php (I personally don't recommend this site - apparently, Mystery's business partner usurped power of this company from him...seems like pretty dirty stuff...there's an article about it on mystery's new website (venutian arts), but if you're looking for another resource

I've never used this one: http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/ - but a preliminary glance suggests it espouses the same method.

[tessai]

Ok, is there a glossary somewhere of all the terms the people use on these forums?

Also... pretty scary stuff. The last thing I want to do is approach women with a mindset like "I will open a set by using an opinion opener and neg her a bunch of times and between that and my congruent avatar, I will close the set." Sheesh!

[liquidmusezak]

haha - no no, you want to OPEN the set, not close the set!

i can help you with a few of the abbreviations. Most common (that I've seen are):

* HB x (x>0): Hot Babe (scale of 1-10)
* DHV: Demonstration of Higher Value
* Ugg: Ugly person (I hate this one)
* AFC: Average Frustrated Chump
* A1 A2 A3; C1 C2 C3; S1 S2 S3: The different sub-stages of attraction, comfort-building, and seduction
* FR: Field report
* FTC: Fixed Time Constraint ("I have to go in a second, but...")
* MM: Mystery Method

What did I miss?

[liquidmusezak]

PS: I watch pretty much every celebreality show that vh1 does, much to my own chagrin...