Why isn't VK is S5? Seriously. Was it a money issue, a people not liking Connor issue, the writers not knowing what to do with Connor issue, or really just for the sake of plot issue?This seems to depend a lot on who you ask. VK says that it was partially plot-drive (i.e., adding Spike to the mix stirred things up in interesting ways)and partially driven by the overwhelming hatred of Connor by fans (my words, not his
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I have no doubt whatsoever that VK *and* CC were let go in order to squirrel together the money for Marsters. The numbers for AtS had been down all through Season 4, and the WB pretty much blackmailed ME into bringing Marsters on board for ratings purposes. It was either, "Hire him or the show is cancelled." Yet in true WB cheap-o fashion, it wouldn't cough up the extra dough to implement any of the changes it was demanding. So ME had to get rid of two actors in order to pay for the one that the network was insisting upon.
Of course, ME did everything the network asked for, and the ratings shot up by 20 per cent, and the WB STILL cancelled the fucking show; because they were too cheap to pay the extra money that production companies traditionally demand after a five-year run, when they're officially allowed to syndicate.
I don't think Hallet's salary would have given them enough dosh. CC was the highest paid actor after DB; I think her salary plus VK's salary gave them just enough to pay what Marsters was asking.
Not that I mind that Marsters came on board; obviously, as a shipper, I loved having him there. I just would have liked to have seen Spike and Connor on screen together. It would have made for some fantastic storylines. Plus, VK + JM = acting talent times 10.
Oh, I think CC was fired because she pissed off TPTB back in S3. Cordy's arc in S4 was pretty much tailor-made to make fans dislike the character and be glad to see her go.
I've heard a lot of stories, ranging from showing up for work drunk to being too assertive about control over her character. I don't know how much truth there is to any of them, but it's generally agreed that Cordelia 'going on vacation' for several crucial episodes towards the end of S3 was a cover for straightening out whatever the problems were. Then CC came back pregnant, which didn't endear her to the writers, because they'd just done the Darla pregnancy story and didn't want to do another. Then David Greenwalt, who was Cordelia's biggest supporter among the writers, left the show
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Wow. I hadn't heard any of that stuff (except the writers being p.o.'d that CC got pregnant). Thanks for the info! I love hearing about the inner machinations of the shows, even if they're unconfirmed rumours. :D
Yeah, I wasn't around at all. I first started watching Buffyverse shows in the middle of 2005. I didn't know a lot of this stuff.
actually the moment the idea of him was announced, but I digress
It's stupid to judge something you haven't seen or don't know how will play out, but I admit that when I was first spoiled for AtS, I thought the idea of Connor was stupid. I thought it sounded very similar to what I was spoiled for about Dawn, which I also thought was stupid. It was how Connor came about and was introduced in the show, and then later the acting ability of VK that made me realize I'd been pretty stupid to judge.
which is interesting to think about in a post-"Origin" world
What do you mean?
It also makes me angry (still) because the end of April/beginning of May corresponded to the last five or so episodes of s4, which is when fan reaction towards Connor started shifting a bit. In the perserve way that fandom can be sometimes, it took Connor revealing that he'd known about Jasmine the whole time to get fans to start
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Of course, ME did everything the network asked for, and the ratings shot up by 20 per cent, and the WB STILL cancelled the fucking show; because they were too cheap to pay the extra money that production companies traditionally demand after a five-year run, when they're officially allowed to syndicate.
Yes, I am bitter.
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*kinda boggles* Then again, as I understand it, lots of people hate that season.
So ME had to get rid of two actors in order to pay for the one that the network was insisting upon.
It's going to sound sour, but couldn't they've gotten rid of Hallett?
Yes, I am bitter.
Preachin' to the choir, babe.
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Not that I mind that Marsters came on board; obviously, as a shipper, I loved having him there. I just would have liked to have seen Spike and Connor on screen together. It would have made for some fantastic storylines. Plus, VK + JM = acting talent times 10.
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actually the moment the idea of him was announced, but I digress
It's stupid to judge something you haven't seen or don't know how will play out, but I admit that when I was first spoiled for AtS, I thought the idea of Connor was stupid. I thought it sounded very similar to what I was spoiled for about Dawn, which I also thought was stupid. It was how Connor came about and was introduced in the show, and then later the acting ability of VK that made me realize I'd been pretty stupid to judge.
which is interesting to think about in a post-"Origin" world
What do you mean?
It also makes me angry (still) because the end of April/beginning of May corresponded to the last five or so episodes of s4, which is when fan reaction towards Connor started shifting a bit. In the perserve way that fandom can be sometimes, it took Connor revealing that he'd known about Jasmine the whole time to get fans to start ( ... )
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