And then there were none...

Mar 09, 2011 00:55

is my favourite Agatha Christie book ever. It's psychological thriller themes and closed-off setting are timeless, providing the basis for all kinds of other media- P.D James' The Skull Beneath the Skin (which I didn't like, at all), Mindhunters, Harper's Island etc etc. It's more than the idea that you know the killer, it's the idea that it could ( Read more... )

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no_ones_sleep March 9 2011, 10:42:06 UTC
Wow. Thank you for that insight! I love to read thoughts that go beyond "Dean was soooo pretty, and how he looked at Sam was so awesome". I mean, he IS pretty and I love to drool over him, but I do it for reasons other than his looks. (Well... you know.) I have to relate to a character, and I have to know that the show I´m into has some background that is worthwhile being explored, and your entry made me remember that even S6 of SPN might have such a background. Are you going to keep up writing such metas? I´m highly interested ( ... )

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lemanya March 9 2011, 12:36:49 UTC
Firstly, thank you! And I will most certainly continue to write them, but it will depend on the episode I suppose. This one just made my brain explode in a torrent of thinky thoughts ( ... )

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lemanya March 9 2011, 12:38:09 UTC

Eve on the other hand, was sprung upon us very suddenly. Even with the monsters all acting strangely and the lead up with the Alphas and Alpha!vamp's comment on the Mother, she still arrived with very little lead up. And while a villain should certainly be menacing and dangerous, we haven't really heard anything about the Mother being that. Instead, we've got this creature who we know for sure is extremely powerful, very pissed off, and is not rushing headlong into things. She's being careful and calculated, which is menacing in it's own way. Without meaning to sound stereotypical, it is men who tend to be aggressive, while women tend to be passive-aggressive. What can be said, is that she's definitely creepy. Or at least, I found that truck scene a little creepy.

So basically all that means is- give it time. It's possible she still will fail, the writer's don't exactly have the best track record with good female characters, but we've seen so little of the Mother so far that I'm hesitant to pass judgement on her as of yet.

:D

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#1 no_ones_sleep March 10 2011, 10:14:45 UTC
It´s people like you who make me wish English was my mother tongue ( ... )

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#2 no_ones_sleep March 10 2011, 10:15:42 UTC
May I ask one more question? I don´t know if you like one of the boys better (I do, but I know that they only function as a unit, that they define each other and one is lost- well, sort of- without the other), so maybe it´s easier for you to analyze that one- but I would like to hear what you think about Dean being broken? Is he? And what does that mean to you? The episode that upset me in ways I cannot describe is “My bloody Valentine”, when Hunger explains that Dean is already dead. That was the point when I thought “Yes. Dean is broken. And this cannot be fixed.” And that scares me to my soul. His alcoholism, the increasing cynicism, the absence of light in his eyes or smile- I really feared S5 would be his end. (And part of me still wishes it had been because the two brothers fighting each other would have been so… biblical and meaningful.) But he still goes on, and now in S6 he is changed again, not healed, but with rejuvenated inner strength. (Which confuses me a bit? “Yay, Sam is back, let´s go hunting.” Maybe we are full ( ... )

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#1 lemanya March 10 2011, 14:33:13 UTC
Oh, thank you, you're so kind.

He knows exactly what he does (and sometimes even why he does it... And maybe that makes Dean the (slightly!) better hunterI would certainly agree, to a extent. Dean lernt from a very early age to sacrifice things for his family, and part of doing that is the need to turn off his emotions for the good of the job. I honestly don't believe he perceives emotions as a weakness (like he appears to every time he mocks Sam for his chick flick moments), I think he jut believes there is a time and a place for all the heartfelt stuff, and it's not in the middle of hunting. He needs to not be distracted by his emotions or he runs the risk of missing something, and it could mean life or death for Sam (or anyone else he's hunting with/cares about ( ... )

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#2 lemanya March 10 2011, 14:34:08 UTC
May I ask one more question? Of course you may :) I don´t know if you like one of the boys better I admit I'm a Dean girl, but like you, I recognise that they come as a unit, practically entwined with each other, and Dean wouldn't be Dean without Sam, and Sam wouldn't be Sam without Dean, so yeah.
But anyway.

but I would like to hear what you think about Dean being broken? Is he? And what does that mean to you?
I think he was, but he isn't anymore. I think, and this is particularly concerned with season five and My Bloody Valentine and so on, that he felt like he was at the end of everything. He's lost his mother, lost his father, lost his brother, been to Hell, he's socially isolated and never saw himself as anything important (which can be attributed to many things, but mainly, I believe, his life as a hunter, because it requires him to be in the background, and he can't get the kind of social validation and sense of being needed that humans strive for) and here he is suddenly pulled from Hell on the orders of God, and they've ( ... )

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#3 lemanya March 10 2011, 14:34:47 UTC
I believe that Dean was most afraid of not making peace with Sam before Detroit. The end of season five was all about Dean saying "I'm sorry, please forgive me, know that I love you" in the only way he knew how, by trusting Sam, and giving Sam that trust, even knowing he would most likely lose him. And when that happened, Dean healed a little bit, could forgive himself. Even with the despair and loss he must have felt at Sam jumping into the cage, he managed to achieve his peace with Sam. And that went a long way in helping his decision to keep living and go back to Lisa. I think, if Dean was truly as broken and depressed as everyone was saying he was, a promise to Sam would not have been enough to stop him from committing suicide. He lost everything with Sam, he lost the last of who he was into Lucifer's cage- the only way he could have survived that was through that little bit of healing he underwent in the final few episodes of season five. Because in those talks with Sam, working things out, he was able to get back some of what he ( ... )

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no_ones_sleep March 11 2011, 16:30:38 UTC
This is in no way a decent reply. I just wanted to let you know that I was really touched by what you wrote (actually I cried), and I need a bit to figure out what is going on here- there is something working in me, and right now I'm a bit confused (well- quite a bit), so please let me get back to you when I know what my subconscious means to tell me.

I am very, very thankful; you helped me a lot here, though you don't even know me. That much I can tell you already. :-) So just... THANK YOU.

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lemanya March 15 2011, 07:40:34 UTC
It's my pleasure. I'm unbelievably flattered that my thoughts could have such an impact (on anyone really), it really is a compliment of the highest regard.

Please, take all the time you need, there's absolutely no rush. I'm grateful I could help. :)

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