Re: Не поделитесь ли?larkin_donkeyApril 19 2008, 18:51:31 UTC
Систематизированных материалов у меня нет, это надо будет самого Томаса просить. Но привожу здесь, для примера, один из таких сохранившихся у меня фрагментов:
"...Professor George Saliba is constructing a history of science in the Syrian, Armenian, Georgian, Mesopotamian, and Iranian Christian East before the Muslim invasions in the early ninth century. He shows that there was a richer confluence of ancient scientific traditions in the Mesopotamian region than scholars have been aware of because the Syriac documents have not been translated, or even catalogued, or even fully recovered from ruined monasteries (or from dusty storage in existing monastery libraries) yet.
As a first step, he shows that regional ethnic place names were not the same as they are today. There were places outside the subcontinent that were described as Indian (due to settlement), and as a result, some scientific doctrines now identified as "Indian" originated in Syrian and Mesopotamian regions. I quote -
Since some of "India's" scientific thinking did originate in the Mesopotamian region, it is hard to determine whether the said (scientific) intellectual currents were coming from India or flowing back into it...The scientific doctrines, now identified as Indian, can be documented in the works of the (Syrian) church fathers...The question of the location of India during the period under discussion is not a trivial one. The preserved sources include several references to India or Indian that cannot be readily identified with the country of modern-day India in southern Asia. One need only refer to the place of origin of the fourth century ecclesiastic and Byzantine envoy, Theophilus Indus, to appreciate the difficulty of locating "India" in this period. Similarly, the debate concerning the mission of Saint Thomas to India, and the origin of the document describing that mission, point to a close relationship between...Edessa (al- Ruha) and India. Whether the country India in southern Asia is intended...is not sure...All stories connected with the evangelization of India by Saint Thomas, apocryphal or otherwise, indicate a close connection between Indian Christianity and the land of Mesopotamia. As a result it is not surprising to find that the modern Syrian Church of India still traces it roots to that area and was always affiliated with the See of Baghdad. The extent of the connection between India and Mesopotamia is attested in the historical sources...In those sources, several localities in the region of the modern-day Persian Gulf are referred to as the port of India or the land of India. The ancient city of Ubulla, incorporated by the modern- day Basra...was explicitly referred to...as the land of India...There is a long tradition therefore...back to early Christian times according to which the area around the Persian Gulf was thought of as being within the intellectual and cultural domain of India.(1995, 191-192)
George Saliba shows that the Syrian church fathers responsible for the design of the liturgy were also some of the principal natural philosophers or scientists developing these scientific doctrines. These doctrines involved a combining of cosmological and astronomical - astrological conceptions (coming out of Hindu, Babylonian, Alexandrian (Egyptian), and Persian) with Pythagorean concepts of diatonic octaves, and the base ten with zero decimal number system. This system, which "seems to have originated in India," is first documented in the writings of -
the early church fathers who lived in the Mesopotamian region. Their references to this system indicate that it was known in their region long before it was later appropriated by the Islamic civilization (1995, 195).
Но привожу здесь, для примера, один из таких сохранившихся у меня фрагментов:
"...Professor George Saliba is constructing a history of science in the Syrian, Armenian, Georgian, Mesopotamian, and Iranian Christian East before the Muslim invasions in the early ninth century. He shows that there was a richer confluence of ancient scientific traditions in the Mesopotamian region than scholars have been aware of because the Syriac documents have not been translated, or even catalogued, or even fully recovered from ruined monasteries (or from dusty storage in existing monastery libraries) yet.
As a first step, he shows that regional ethnic place names were not the same as they are today. There were places outside the subcontinent that were described as Indian (due to settlement), and as a result, some scientific doctrines now identified as "Indian" originated in Syrian and Mesopotamian regions. I quote -
Since some of "India's" scientific thinking did originate in the
Mesopotamian region, it is hard to determine whether the said
(scientific) intellectual currents were coming from India or
flowing back into it...The scientific doctrines, now identified
as Indian, can be documented in the works of the (Syrian) church
fathers...The question of the location of India during the
period under discussion is not a trivial one. The preserved
sources include several references to India or Indian that
cannot be readily identified with the country of modern-day India
in southern Asia. One need only refer to the place of origin of
the fourth century ecclesiastic and Byzantine envoy, Theophilus
Indus, to appreciate the difficulty of locating "India" in this
period. Similarly, the debate concerning the mission of Saint
Thomas to India, and the origin of the document describing that
mission, point to a close relationship between...Edessa (al-
Ruha) and India. Whether the country India in southern Asia is
intended...is not sure...All stories connected with the
evangelization of India by Saint Thomas, apocryphal or
otherwise, indicate a close connection between Indian
Christianity and the land of Mesopotamia. As a result it is not
surprising to find that the modern Syrian Church of India still
traces it roots to that area and was always affiliated with the
See of Baghdad. The extent of the connection between India and
Mesopotamia is attested in the historical sources...In those
sources, several localities in the region of the modern-day
Persian Gulf are referred to as the port of India or the land of
India. The ancient city of Ubulla, incorporated by the modern-
day Basra...was explicitly referred to...as the land of
India...There is a long tradition therefore...back to early
Christian times according to which the area around the Persian
Gulf was thought of as being within the intellectual and
cultural domain of India.(1995, 191-192)
George Saliba shows that the Syrian church fathers responsible for the design of the liturgy were also some of the principal natural philosophers or scientists developing these scientific doctrines. These doctrines involved a combining of cosmological and astronomical - astrological conceptions (coming out of Hindu, Babylonian, Alexandrian (Egyptian), and Persian) with Pythagorean concepts of diatonic octaves, and the base ten with zero decimal number system. This system, which "seems to have originated in India," is first documented in the writings of -
the early church fathers who lived in the Mesopotamian
region. Their references to this system indicate that it was
known in their region long before it was later appropriated
by the Islamic civilization (1995, 195).
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