Shipping Wars...

[ladie_a]

I have no problem with admitting defeat or when I’m wrong. I have no problem with agreeing to an opposing argument if the case proves to make sense to me. But I do have a problem with people assuming and people who, themselves, cannot have the backbone to admit when they are wrong. And this is the main reason why there is shipping debates; people

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[kanoei]

Euhm, hi. I don't know you and I found your journal because I liked your icon so much and I wanted to find out who made it :)

Anyway, I just want to say something about this post here. I have been a R/Hr shipper since the beginning, many years ago when the first book came out. I don't know why, but to me it seemed obvious that they were going to end up together.

Back in the early days of fandom (about 2001) I told some people online that I believed that R/Hr was going to happen.
I was being ridiculed, mocked at, called stupid! Literally brought down by all the H/Hr shippers who told me I was an idiot and that I could not even read what was there and what was "obvious"!
I had done nothing wrong to these people, I was just voicing my opinion.

I was so shocked that I left the HP fandom for several years until I found some fellow R/hr shippers (before that I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought R/hr was going to happen). Those people where really nice and open to dicussion.

Every year we had to go through the same thing. When a book came out H/hr shippers were coming up with theories and rubbing it in our faces that we could not read and that we were idiots and that they would show us. We would see in the end. The same thing with every movie.

Now, finally, JKR put us out of our misery. Finally everyone stopped ridiculing us!
Since then, I have never mocked a H/Hr shipper, I don't lower myself to their same pestering, because that's what it was.
I also believe in having different opinions but still getting along.

But what you are saying right now, I can never agree with. If anything, they had it coming. They have been mocking us like this (and much worse) for years! So do not go and pretend that you are the victims here and that all H/hr shippers are nice people and open to others, because that is a flagrant lie.
I'm not saying that they should be mocking you, but because of the H/hr shippers attitude the past years they should have seen it coming.

I'm really sorry, but instead of reading between the line for something that is not there and will never happen, why don't they try to actually read the book and see what's there.

[weezerchi]

Um, okay. That was a little hostile. Ladie-A wasn't making any absolute statements that HHr shippers are all victims or all peace-wanting. There are some people (on both sides) that harass the other ships. And there are people on both sides who don't harass other ships. But she was commenting on a community that exists specifically to bash HHr shippers and that it seems right now, after the JKR interview, that many RHr shippers are throwing her statements in the HHr ship's face.

"There is no longer any point for R/Hr shippers to debate with us. They are canon, stated by the author herself. And that is all okay with us. Really it is. Some people might react differently but the majority of us have accepted this."

I can't speak for all shippers who got cut out of canon, but I agree with this. JKR said it, it's there, whatever. But we can still have our own opinions about what we READ in the books and have our ship in fan fiction and art, can't we? If it was the other way around, I personally would have let the "delusional" shippers carry on enjoying their respective ships and minding their own business.

I'm sorry that you've felt harassed in the past, but it's no reason to take your bitterness out on Ladie-A and mistake her opinion as an insult. I would think that you could relate to the fact that this whole shipping war is just plain not good.

P.S. I made Ladie-A's icon...you can use it if you credit. :)

[ladie_a]

I’m sorry that you have been hassled by some H/Hr shippers in the past but that isn’t what my post is about. And I’m not out to make H/Hr perfect little angels either. I’m simply referring to one community who chooses to steal site content and using it to mock us. I really don’t mind if you want to have a different opinion or even believe us to be wrong. I haven’t been in the H/Hr fandom for as long as you have been in your R/Hr fandom. This shipping war is a new experience for me, and yes I do see that some R/Hr’s are nice. I have an online friend who is one but we never argue about who’s illiterate and who’s right.

Anyways, all I’m saying is the shipping war is getting crazier by the minute. People resort to personally attacking and no one wants to back down. It isn’t fair to those few good shippers (R/Hr and H/Hr) who get dragged into this. There will be certain people who feel obligated to fight for no reason. And that’s what keeps the shipping war going.

By the way,weezerchi, how do I credit you on LJ? I only know how to do it on forums and such.

[weezerchi]

Umm...I dunno. Maybe a mention in your user profile? Hmmm...

[kanoei]

To credit you can do like I do it (go check my icons)
And I will try to explain how to do it :)

When you upload userspic's you see these boxes "keywords" and "comment" where you can write something in next to your icon.
To give credit you use the "comment" box
If I wanted to credit you for your icon I would write *weezerchi* without the little stars in the beginning and ending.
This litte thing then turns into a link to your lj.

Hope I was of help :)

[kanoei]

Damit, the link still worked...
ok, I'll try again. <*lj user="weezerchi"*> This is the tag that you use, again without the little stars :)

[ladie_a]

Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. ^.^

[kanoei]

I also have friends who ship other ships. Actually, in fanon, I ship Harry/Ron, so I have absolutely no problem with other ships.

It's just that, what I got from your post was that all H/hr shippers have been very nice and that this all just started by R/hr shippers bashing them, and that is not true, it comes from both sides...

And it's not just the shipping. I also have encountered many H/Hr shippers journals who bash JKR for it. Who say that HBP is a bad book, that she is a terrible writer, that the plot sucks... Just because their ship did not happen. That is just a bit to far I think.

How about diejkrdie or dierondie?
Thank god that LJ took most of those down, but these two still remain! This isn't normal anymore...

It's to bad that some people sicken the entire fandom with their childish behavior (on both sides) and that normal people (like us), who are open to discussion and talking, have to take the fall for it.

I didn't mean to be rude, if that's how it looked like...
But it's just... I mean, how stupid is this whole shipping war anyway??? I cannot believe that so many people actually got into it...

HP is wonderful, but to turn these books in some sort of romantic novel where only Hermione and her love of her life counts, that's just insane... Actually, when you look at it, it's quite hilarious :)
And anyway, in the books they are 16! I remember when I was sixteen (4 wonderful years ago), I certainly wasn't busy with the love of my life! lol.

Anyway, if I insulted you in anyway, I am very sorry. It was not my intention. I just wanted to bring in another perspective.
greets.

[red_hurricane]

That's absolutely horrible to me, the way you chose to respond.
I think Ladie-A said what's on her mind but really ignored the obvious. People in the fandom are attacking each other, personally, without knowing who the other person is.
You, kanoei, are doing exactly what you're saying H/Hr did to you back then.

"I'm really sorry, but instead of reading between the line for something that is not there and will never happen, why don't they try to actually read the book and see what's there."

Dear, this is exactly what you had to "suffer" through. It's wrong to say you're not doing the same because you just opposed yourself. Whoever asked you what to believe or not? I (and my friends, including Ladie-A) will enjoy the other relationship. The one we see is worthy and intelligent and mature. I would never, EVER, write anything like that to an R/Hr fan on his journal though, just to annoy.

[kanoei]

What I had to suffer through, and trust me it was suffer, was something like this;

"You fucking stupid bitch, are you fucking stupid?? Why don't you go fucking read some children's books!! It's so obvious that our ship is gonna happen and everyone else is wrong and ignorant!!"

or

"Are you fucking insane!! Go eat a cookie you big baby!!" And anyway, Ron will die cause he's stupid to, just like you!!"

If you multiply that, then you come to the conclusion what I have been through.
And I am not even talking about giving my email around to all of their friends so that my inbox completely crashed, I even had to change my email...
Or how about hacking my lj and leaving hate messages??

You name it honey, and I have been through it.

I could have done the same thing, but I chose not to because I know how horrible it is...

I (and my friends, including Ladie-A) will enjoy the other relationship. The one we see is worthy and intelligent and mature. I would never, EVER, write anything like that to an R/Hr fan on his journal though, just to annoy.

Euhmm, you just contradicted yourself...
You say that you would never write anything like that to an R/HR shipper yet you just said the line before that that you think that your ship is the worthy and intelligent and mature one...

Let's not forget that we are talking about 16 year olds, please... They are not mature yet, their still in the middle of their teenage years, relationships like that don't last.

And here I was, thinking I was being nice...

[ladie_a]

Come on guys, this is why I hate shipping wars. We misunderstand each other. Thank you Sarit, for sticking up for me and thank you Kanoei, for replying to my posts. Let's just leave it as is.

Agree to disagree? ^.^

[kanoei]

Sorry, I'm sure it's not our intention to pick a fight or something like that. I'm really trying to be nice and I think we are being civil to eachother :)

But I couldn't say nothing, it would be rude not to reply to someone and I really think it important that people understand what I'm trying to say so that we don't misunderstand eachother.

But you're right, we should agree to disagree :)

[red_hurricane]

Hey Ladie-A, sorry to let this happen on your journal, that's pretty rude coming from me.
Kanoei, my reply was my first time ever replying directly to anything regarding R/Hr written by anyone. I wish I'd stick to my usual happiness in my H/Hr world and ignore the ship wars, it worked great so far. I'm really sorry it had to be on your post because you were actually nice to Ladie :(
I hope we can be friends still :?

[ladie_a]

It's okay guys, really. No harm done.

[kanoei]

It's really ok :) No harm done.
You were actually very civil in my opinion :) Besides, it's not because we like different ships that we cannot be friends.