Yep, Buffy comics are fan fic

[kudagirl]

I tried reading the Buffy comics and just couldn't stand them.
Season eight seemed to be badly written fan fic to me and I
might have been right.

"Talking more about the Buffy comics, Whedon addressed the "Buffy and Angel

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[red_satin_doll]

Season eight seemed to be badly written fan fic to me and I might have been right.

I can never decide if they're just that or if they're also meant to be - my theory anyway - a parody of fanfiction tropes. Certainly the Buffy saves the world with her vagina has been flipped, and there's strains of misogyny I also find in a lot of fanfiction - but if it's parody or not, I can't tell. The writers are trying to be too clever by half and end up being neither clever nor intelligent.

I recently saw the non-canon comic arc "Night of a Thousand Vampires" and the "Haunted" arc, both penned by Jane Espenson, and they're a lesson in how much better the "canon comics" could have been.

And sometimes you bring the sexy - because we're people."

[kudagirl]

Sorry if this hit a nerve. I don't get how Season Eight is canon. It's just a hot mess. Season nine, I've avoided. Comic Buffy is not my Buffy. It's almost like the Comics are a different universe/dimension. Buffy regressed to me in the comics. I'll stick to fandom fan fiction because it makes more sense.

[red_satin_doll]

I apologize if I came off too bitchy! the comics just do hit a nerve with me; lostboy-lj counselled me once to think of them the way I would unauthorized Star Wars spin-off novels, but with Joss' name on it I can't. This is the way he thinks about Buffy now? About how violating women's bodies and their free will is funny? Ugh.

[kudagirl]

That scene always makes me laugh. I love how Buffy finally realizes the reason Giles buffs his glasses.

Good fan fiction cures all the evil from the comics. LOL!

[red_satin_doll]

LIfe Serial is pure gold. But as bone_dry1013 and I were saying to one another, the layer underneath all of that is the fact that Buffy is being terrorized by the Trio. It's played for laughs now but it also made me sad for Buffy watching it the first time; and the way the Trio's games go from a joke to truly horrible is actually one of the most brilliant things about the entire series for me. I did NOT see it coming.

I love how Buffy finally realizes the reason Giles buffs his glasses.

That's All the Way, after Xander announces his engagement with Anya:

[kudagirl]

My bad, it's been two years since I watched all of the series. I think Season Six gets a raw deal. It was rich with changes in the characters. It was very true to life. Depression, denial, growing up and finding yourself. So much for all of us to find ourselves in it.

Many think that the Trio are very weak bads cause they are so silly man/children. Yet, they were not supernatural in any way, but caused the most damage of all the Big Bads. We lost Tara to them and brought about Dark Willow. The universe shifted.

[red_satin_doll]

I haven't watched the entire series since that first time last year (going back to certain favorite episodes) but S6 I watched compulsively over and over again for a long time. I've also rewatched a lot of S7.

Total agreement on your assessment of the season, and of the Trio. They are silly man/children and that's part of why it's so tragic; the season pegs them for what they are. But ironically, today (thanks partly to Jude Apetow but others in the film and tv industries as well) the "manchild" is a common protagonist, the nerdy, plain, not-special guy who isn't interested in growing up and still gets the girl, and often a beautiful girl at that. the irony has been almost entirely lost. And apparently audiences go for the trope, otherwise these films wouldn't be made.

The universe shifted.YES. I've said that The Body is the moment when Buffy's world cracked in two (not Becoming); I mean she's dead by the end of the season and being pulled out of Heaven repairs nothing. the cracks just continue to widen, to break further and

[kudagirl]

Most of us have that moment in life when it just changes and you have to become the adult. Most of us are not defenders of the world like Buffy was. I was angry with Giles for leaving her before she found a level spot in the world. It also ticked me off that Willow and Tara lived in the house for months and spent Joyce's life insurance money to live on and built up debts. Then they tell Buffy she needs to pay off the bills. Maybe they should help by paying rent. Duh? They didn't even give her time to adjust back to being alive. Spike was the only one to offer to help her with money. Giles finally gave her a check, but he was her watcher. Didn't the other slayers' watchers support them? A paycheck from the Council would have gone a long way to help Buffy.

[red_satin_doll]

Most of us have that moment in life when it just changes and you have to become the adult.When I was a little girl I couldn't wait until I was a grown up and sit at the adults table because I didn't identify with the other kids my age. Decades later, I'm still wondering when the hell I'm going to feel like an adult

[kudagirl]

I was forced into adult hood very early. My mom didn't drive and depended on my older brother to drive her. My dad was worthless. He never helped our family, but lived in the same house with us. When my brother left home, I was only thirteen. As soon as I became fourteen, my mom pushed me into Drivers Ed. I was not allowed to ride my bike beyond two streets from our house at thirteen, but at fourteen I was I got my license to drive. From then on, I was deemed the family caretaker. I drove everyone everywhere. I wasn't allowed to date, but was expected to do whatever whenever the family needed anything. This continued after I got married and up until my mom died. So I shoulder adult responsibilities early in life. Often people are not really adults till their parents die. Many are raising families and caring for their adult parents as well. So it varies

[red_satin_doll]

Ah you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm sorry to hear you had a hard childhood; I wouldn't wish my own on anyone and it sounds like yours was quite a bit worse. I'm amazed that they pushed you into Drivers Ed that young; where did you live? You reminded me of how my mother wouldn't let me go to the neighbor's yard much less down the block without reporting it to her first because 'someone" out there might try to hurt me, that there were bad people in the world; and meanwhile we lived with a monster (her husband) and the danger was within our own house and I wanted nothing more than to get away from that. It's odd how willfully blind people can be, isn't it?

Many are raising families and caring for their adult parents as well.

One of the things I find interesting about Season 5 of btvs are the intertwined themes of mental & physical illness, disparities of care in the medical system, the burden on families and how care of sick family members falls almost entirely on the shoulders of women.

if Hank paid child support after

[kudagirl]

I do remember them trying to find Hank when Joyce died. He was in Spain with his girlfriend. Then when Buffy was gone, Willow and the others tried to avoid letting the Buffybot talk to him on the phone. They didn't want him to know Buffy was gone so he wouldn't take Dawn. I don't think they really had to worry about it. He was long gone.

Giles tried to reason that if he stayed Buffy would still lean on him. He wanted her to shoulder all of the adult things she had to do. Yet, I think he was wrong. He could have waited till she got her bearings on things. She didn't have a job and was deep in debt. She needed help learning how to deal. Instead he left her with the Scoobies who just wanted her to be happy and strong Buffy. She was so lost.

[red_satin_doll]

I do remember them trying to find Hank when Joyce died. He was in Spain with his girlfriend.*nods* I thought it was interesting that the spell meant to make everyone more protective of Dawn (specifically Buffy but given the fact that Joyce is sort of an "ideal mom" that season compared to S1-3, I assume it worked on her too) didn't do a thing on Hank. Probably part of Joss' trope of father figures who abandon their children