Wow! There's A Cell Phone You Can Eat!

Feb 17, 2012 15:22

Wow! I'd never heard this before! Writer Kenzie* and producers Bloodshy & Avant take a dramatic "Reach Out I'll Be There"-type melody, throw it into waltz time, and make it a funny, bumpy promenade. [EDIT: I meant to say they throw it into SWING time. My brain went herky-jerky there for a second. In any event, this most certainly isn't a waltz; it' ( Read more... )

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Link dump arbitrary_greay February 18 2012, 06:46:39 UTC
The comparisons to Rachel Stevens's Sweet Dreams My L.A Ex have been made before.
So, of course, mashups were made. This one has cleaner mixing (with f(x) and Rachel's arrangement mixed with SNSD's vocals), but I rather like this one for featuring some Rachel vocals,(it also includes Amber's "rap") especially because it plays the last choruses of the two songs over each other, and I'm a a sucker for that kind of thing.

The Anycall CF seems to be a long tradition.
Anyband with BoA, DBSK's Junsu, Epik High's Tablo and Jin Bora.
4Tomorrow composed of Brown Eyed Girl's GaIn, Kara's Seungyeon, Hyuna, and After School's UEE.
Hyori again, with Anyclub, featuring Teddy, and Anymotion.
Rain's Anydream

But yeah, Kpop groups doing endorsement MVs seems pretty common. We all had a laugh when we realized this is the American equivalent commercial to "Chocolate Love." I think conversation devolved after that from imagining if SNSD did a similar style CF until "SNSD pole-dancing in a subway train." Yeah ( ... )

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 18 2012, 22:55:00 UTC
Apropos of Rachel Stevens, "Negotiate With Love" received the highest score ever on the Singles Jukebox, though that was from the Jukebox's Stylus Magazine days when there were fewer voters, making extreme scores easier to achieve.

Not really apropos of Rachel Stevens, or of much of anything except that, because of the way my mind free associates, I never fail to think of this when I hear "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex": there was a Mya record I quite liked back in 2000, a mesh of barbed-wire synths, the radio DJ's identifying the track as "K City X," or so it seemed, anyway. I liked the title for (I assumed) Kansas City's casual nickname and for the intrigue of simply referring to a mystery paramour as "X": "the K City X." (I suppose I could have listened to the lyrics more carefully.)

Where I hear "Reach Out I'll Be There" in "Chocolate Love" is the vocal descent on "neol gamchugo isseo" and "nan ppajyeo beoryeotjyo," the melody reminding me of Levi Stubbs and crew singing "With a love that will shelter you" and "With a love that will ( ... )

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Re: Link dump arbitrary_greay February 24 2012, 17:27:59 UTC
Should we post the PM exchange here for posterity's sake?

The storyline for "Kiss" resonated with me in thinking about how there are different types of fans, and how two of the same fandom may not even be able to connect because being different types reflects on their respective personalities. Hence why although there was that initial connection at the concert, as concert energy tends to sweep differences away, they wouldn't necessarily carry that connection over to the rest of their lives, possibly even within fandom.
Of course, the epilogue thoroughly debunks this and makes it clear that the boy being arrogant was his own false front that he needed to outgrow, rather than his problem being that he assumed Dara to be a fashion kind of girl despite her attitudes being made clear at the club, but without dubious intent.

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 24 2012, 19:58:00 UTC
Yes, post the exchange. Maybe someone else will glance at it and add a quartet of ha'pennies in response.

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Re: Link dump arbitrary_greay February 25 2012, 14:29:18 UTC
I don't have my original comment. (should be in your gmail, though)

Approximately, though, I thought the arrangement for "Negotiate With Love" was great, and noted that it's also a Norwegian-written song. Then I asked for the mental association between "Sweet Dreams My LA Ex" and "K City X."

Frank's response:
In any event, the association between "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex" and "K City X" ("Case Of The Ex") is merely that they're each about an ex.

I had no name recognition prior today for the Nervo Twins. I'd seen their credits on Ke$ha's excellent "Boots & Boys" and had no idea who they were, and subsequently forgot.

I'm disappointed they never wrote for or with the Veronicas.

I see that our Swedish Negotiators also wrote "Chu," for f(x).

In response to the "Reach Out I'll Be There" connection, I think I wrote a long tangent about the different kinds of triplet songs: the sexy swing beat dance track a la "Right Round" and "Womanizer," and the reggaeton?-ish beat found here, questioned the difference between the two, (tempo ( ... )

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 26 2012, 03:53:11 UTC
it's also a Norwegian-written song

Swedish, actually.

I'm not sure where you're hearing triplets in "Cinderella/Complex"; the quarter notes are definitely, you know, quarter notes, and if you break them down further, you get eight or sixteen beats to the measure, not the twelve beats you get in "Womanizer" and "L.A. Ex." But I guess you're saying there's some sort of triple/triplet emphasis? As I said, I'm not able to put my finger on that one. Not sure what I'm hearing in the rhythm in "C/C," actually, but it's great.

Not sure how I'd categorize the beat of "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex" anyway. It seems pretty rock 'n' roll, to tell you the truth, more pushed than the boogies and swings of the late '40s, but still with a looseness that hard rock etc. tends to lack. What's grabbing me most, though, is the melody, which, while not sounding retro, is totally steeped in the between-wars American Deep South. I'd call it a "blues" melody except to do so would confuse people. In any event, it's neither major nor minor but uses the tones of ( ... )

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Re: Link dump arbitrary_greay February 26 2012, 15:40:26 UTC
I don't know why I was treating "Norwegian" like it was a region encompassing multiple countries. I'll have to remember to use "European" from now on, or find out exactly what nation they hail from ( ... )

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Re: Link dump arbitrary_greay February 26 2012, 16:03:24 UTC
Dammit, did it again, posted instead of switch tabs ( ... )

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 26 2012, 16:59:36 UTC
Well, "Scandinavian" encompasses Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and from my casual, unsystematic observation, I have the impression that whenever Europeans are involved in K-pop, at least one will be Scandinavian. Brits have a presence as well, though not as strong. (I'll reiterate, I haven't looked at this systematically.)

As for the impact this has on the sound, I don't have a good idea. SNSD's "Bad Girl" doesn't feel particularly K-pop to me, but "Tell Me Your Wish (Genie)" does, though both have Scandinavian input, the latter actually being Norwegian. (The same crew, Dsign Music, had a hand in ChoColat's "I Like It," the best of ChoColat's three singles.)

It may take a few days before I can concentrate on the music theory stuff.

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 26 2012, 17:22:14 UTC
But three Brits and no Scandinavians are on the credits for ChoColat's followup, "Same Thing To Her."

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Re: Link dump koganbot February 26 2012, 17:15:47 UTC
Of course, the person who produced "Bad Girl" was Japanese, whereas the producers of the K-pop version of "Genie" (as opposed to the Uzbek or the Dutch) were Korean, at least according to Wikip.

And I really have no idea what it is that makes something "sound K-pop" to me. I made a K-pop mix, and Jewelry's "One More Time" fit right in, despite its arrangement having been lifted substantially from the Italian Eurodance original (the Jewelry version does flow better rhythmically, and the accordion hook takes an upturn that the it doesn't in In-Grid's; but I'm not really hearing the rhythm containing different beats so much as using different timbre; however, I haven't sat down to do an in-depth comparison yet).

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Sweet Dreams My SNSD f(x) koganbot February 19 2012, 05:53:46 UTC
Playing both mashups back to back with the two versions of "Chocolate Love" and with "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex," the similarity between the songs really does jump out. Oddly, Bloodshy & Avant don't claim any writing credit for "Chocolate Love," at least not according to Wikip. [EDIT: But Wikip seems to be wrong, since the Korean Copyright Association credits Christian Karlsson, Pontus Winnberg, and Henrik Jonback for "Chocolate Love" (that's three of the four writers of "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex") as well as Karen Poole (but not Cathy Dennis; maybe she only contributed lyrics to "L.A. Ex."). And I'm surprised there's no Korean name. Maybe Kenzie should have been included but wasn't. Also, Karen Poole's Wikip page includes neither song, though the list may well be incomplete. She did write another song called "Chocolate," Kylie Minogue's, but I'm not hearing any resemblance between that "Chocolate" and this one ( ... )

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Without love, it pop! pop! koganbot February 19 2012, 07:11:22 UTC
Oh, and I have heard "Visual Dreams" before, and that one screams Sheila E. "Glamorous Life" at me. (And checking YouTube, I see that our stalwart Netizens have noticed the resemblance too.)

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Re: Without love, it pop! pop! arbitrary_greay February 24 2012, 19:50:01 UTC
Using this,(it's annoyingly hard to hunt down credits for non-album Kpop songs) throwing the credits for "Chocolate Love" into Babelfish gets me "Bloodshy& Avant composition Kenzie lyric making," so there ( ... )

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Re: Without love, it pop! pop! koganbot February 24 2012, 20:17:18 UTC
I shouldn't have used the word "cadences," actually (it's a confusing one in that it seems to have two barely related meanings, one having to do with rhythm and the other with resolving chord progressions, or something; I'm obviously not a music theorist). I probably meant no more than "falls into ways of sounding Korean, whatever they are" which can probably include rhythm and accent and ways of emphasizing syllables, or just that maybe she sounds like Korean hip-hop in her delivery, even though a lot of her raps are in English.

I've been whistling "Sweet Dreams My L.A. Ex" for two days now, so I withdraw anything derogatory I said about the melody. In fact I may even prefer its melody to "Chocolate Love"'s. But I still prefer "Chocolate Love" overall, and I probably can't figure out why. Warmer overall with the group vocals, perhaps.

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