Comments | kissingdaylight: I'm sorry, John.

kissingdaylight

I'm sorry, John.

Apr 10, 2009 21:56

{ lyrics of the day }
what will it take for you to understand
this is something the doctors just can't fix?
its always been my style to live a lie
i'm out of breath and we're out of time

( TSCC season 2 finale: Born to Run )

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tmomsen8 April 11 2009, 04:47:15 UTC

great post!

but no, we NEED a season 3. So many freaking questions left unanswered.

I NEED TO SEE WHAT JOHN WILL SAY TO ALLISON!

kissingdaylight April 11 2009, 04:52:42 UTC

Thanks!

I know! How completely awkward! And would he want to warn her about Cameron possibly killing her in the future or has he not figured that out totally or would he not tell her in order to get Cameron back?

So many possibilities and I need answers! I just can't help being pessimistic about Fox's epic fail. You can keep me in line though. ;)

newnumber6 April 12 2009, 23:44:37 UTC

Yeah, there's a couple different possibilities going on with the future. Either they jumped to sometime before John Connor was famous in the future (possible, but unlikely), or, by jumping, John erased himself from the timeline up to that point (at least, until he gets back). Now, if we trust that he _is_ some kind of future messiah, this should mean that the resistance, although it may exist, is in a much direr position than it was in the original timeline. Of course it could be some kind of exercise in making him realize that he is _not_ the only hope for humanity, even if everybody's been telling him that his whole life. (Or I guess the 'John Connor' of legend could actually _be_ Young Time Travelling John Connor all along, and just nobody said it, but that might be a little too much to swallow ( ... )

kissingdaylight April 13 2009, 07:32:57 UTC

That's the thing. We don't know when exactly in the timeline Cameron was created. (I always thought it was after Kyle jumped back, but before Derek did, but we actually don't know about that first part really.) I don't know where this comes from, but I've read it in more than one place, so maybe it comes from T3 (which I haven't seen): John becomes famous after he breaks himself and a bunch of humans (including Kyle) out of a machine work camp. So it's possible that that hasn't occurred yet, but I think it's less likely than John just not being a great leader in this future (if an adult him exists there at all). And yeah, the great and powerful leader could be our 17-year-old, but if they go with that I will laugh ( ... )

newnumber6 April 13 2009, 19:19:12 UTC

Yeah, you're right about John liberating a work camp being one of the big things he was famous for (though I don't know if it was the first or only thing). That coem sfrom the series and, I believe, the first movie. T3 suggested he was involved in coordinating the military from the beginning, but they're ignorign a lot of T3 ( ... )

kissingdaylight April 16 2009, 02:44:46 UTC

Right, yeah, I saw part of T1 the other day and Kyle explains the work camp thing to Sarah. I'm glad I'm not just going crazy.

Well now I'm pretty sure that in canon there are different universes because I was listening carefully to what Kyle said and he said he came "from the future; well, one possible future." I understand your explanation, but it will continue to bother me a bit. Why would the machines have any different motivations than the humans? Don't they want to survive and not be killed off even more?

That's something explored in other shows, I know. That if you have the same person from two different timelines, they can't meet or else the world will fall apart and all. When they did it on Roswell, when the future had been changed significantly enough, the person from the future just disappeared because they no longer existed. I like this realm of thought.

That's okay! I mean, I think those are the only two options here but both frustrate me so I'm trying to reconcile which one I can live with. XP

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angylone April 13 2009, 02:35:53 UTC

I'm not really sure what to think about when they are. I mean, obviously there's some kind of post-apocalyptic future, but is it the machines that did it. If so and no one's heard of John Connor, does that mean that someone's stepped up to fill his place? To lead the resistance?
I think it was Kyle who's leading the resistance which is why John would be famous for wearing his coat. but that's obviously just a theory.

(The time travel on this show befuddles me, because they seem to indicate there is only one future that they are fighting for, but how can all these changes in time not create a host of alternate realities?)
I'm equally befuddled which is why I stopped trying too hard to pay attention.
Though, I don't think they're creating host realities. I think it's a singular future, that just keeps changing when people go back to the past; an ever evolving future.

Or does Cameron know she has no problem in her chip and that John Henry's problems are in all the hardware behind him, so together they'd make one fully functioning ( ... )

kissingdaylight April 13 2009, 07:36:29 UTC

1. Yes, I've read that and though we don't know anything about this future, really, it does seem the most likely from the little we have to go on.

2. I think I just need to try to not think about it. I mean, until this episode I thought it was confusing but I could reconcile it all leading to one future, but this just rocked my boat a little too far. Must put it out of mind.

4. John/Cameron shippers FTW! (a very sad, sad win)

rainsymphony April 15 2009, 02:28:48 UTC

i just watched the finale and omg is all i can really say. especially when everyone showed up... everyone's alive!

but the time-line thing is quite convoluted in my mind. there's got to be alternate futures cause.. if not, then if the machines, then the machines would never be sent back to stop the machines. and there was that whole thing with jesse wanting to kill the guy that tortured derek but derek didn't remember. anyway. i try not to think too hard about that =P

i definitely need to go see the terminator movies. especially with the new one coming out (!!)

kissingdaylight April 16 2009, 02:54:11 UTC

Yes, definitely watch the movies! They're all weird and 80s stuff but I thought it was really cool to see all the stuff that's in the show tie into the movies. (I also saw the TV show first.) I haven't seen T3 because everyone says it's so bad, but I may watch it anyway before T4 so I make sure I'm on board with everything.

I'm so excited about the new movie! :D