Mmmmm-hmmmm.....
Yes, the video I posted about THAT fairly famous pastor who excommunicated one of his flock in front of the whole church at communion time, because she had called the police on her husband, got a protection order. He had been beating her and at least one of the children, and it turns out he had raped one of the children. It's been taken down. Privatized.
There were a bunch of U Tubers who were Christians who were discussing this whole thing, because a certain woman who exposed the story after twenty years, exposed it on her website.
It turned out also that the woman who was excommunicated was suffering from two major conditions, was recovering from brain cancer and I don't know what else, something serious.
I wonder if the plethora of other guys who talked about it also deleted their discussion of it.
Re the channel that put out the video about it that I posted in my last entry, the guy who puts it ou, He's older, maybe 40, 50, possibly older. I think. But he definitely thinks there's nothing wrong with the pastor who's got a Mercedes, a big house and an enormous income. Apparently because that's not about sex? Hard to say. But one time he had a scripture quote right on his screen, about giving money to the pastors, partying them... and he read it completely wrong.
He read it exactly the opposite of the way it showed on the screen.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14:
For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? ...
So, okay, the pastor should get paid, a double share. Or whatever. Then the passage goes on, but in a different tone:
15 But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16 For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.
This guy acted like he was reading this out loud, but he was saying his own words, saying 'I have the right to be paid plenty, and I'm going to be paid plenty'. Just the opposite of what Paul said. He's out there in public saying it to a huge audience, not just a few. He's so thorough about looking up the Greek, and so scholarly. But he didn't even read the actual words on his screen and ours.
I did make a comment about it at the channel, but this guy said once that there's no way he can read all the comments. I think because his viewership is pretty large.
In addition to his own church responsibilities, as he pastors a church.
That was really...what the heck? You seem to have a lot of responsibility, but are you worth your wages?
Paul is really talking about the life to come, which will always be living in and from the Father. If you are not able to get past the needs and desires of this World, how will you see clearly into heaven???
There was a "woman reporter", "who was worldly", or something like that. She was the one who reported the thing on her website, the whole process of EG having to go outside the church to get protection from her wifebeating pedophile church husband.
In one of the comments, someone said she knew the lady reporter, who was actually at one time a member of the church, or maybe of a partner church in the area.
Her job was to do with the liturgy, or worship music. I can't go back and check, since the video was taken down.
There is one more odd thing about this whole idea of these guys who commented on the video. Come to think no of it I can only remember three.
But within a week after any of them coming out, there was another guy who posted a video, to which all comment were blocked. It said it's an interview with the pastor who excommunicated the beaten abused woman, and there was a fair amount of talk about the poor famous much-loved, hard working rich pastor who was getting talked about so much recently.
NOTHING was mentioned about WHY he was getting talked about. (The 20 year past excommunicating of a woman who didn't deserve it)
In the comments and in the videos people were saying he should publicly repent, he needs to apologize in public. He's a public guy, pastoring a church and has all kinds of followers. Kind like Billy Graham, or Ravi Zacharias, Joel Osteen. He publicly did wrong
His only public comment he made about it was that he had trusted his pastoral staff, who were all against her going outside the church to get immediate help from government authority. They all said God wants her to go back to her husband (hateful, unbelieving men, but are no doubt still friends and church staff, no discipline or correction ever mentioned).
Anyway, it reminds me of the cheating accountant in the Bible, he kept cheating all along, his boss came back after being incommunicado a long time, out of the country. He knew th boss was coming back, but knew he couldn't pay back the money he'd been stealing, because he was too lazy, he would not work or beg. He was not even going to try.
And he just arranged with the people who owed the boss money, to only collect a little of the debt, and then he would write "Paid" under their account.
So when the boss came back, he would have friends outside the firm, who he could rely on to help him out.
But God says, don't do that. It worked for that cheater, but his boss will NEVER take him back, and we're talking about Eternity.
The problem is something I never thought existed, even though it's been right in front of me all my life: the homosexual, wife beating pedophile, who represents himself as church man. The Worldly man.
And tt women he drags down. At this point I don't even know if the two women are really real or acting on their own, or are part of a big scam to make it look like women are put upon by fakely Christian bastards. "Pastors".
But it sure seems to me like this is what I have seen, in the Catholic church--the church I was born into. I can't even talk about what I saw and experienced. But he'll is real, for a reason.
After a while when we see hypocrites, we know it's real. I more or less got fooled by one when I first got saved. In short because this woman who first brought me there was following him, had his tapes. She gave one to me, and I ate it up. He was speaking against everything I hated. The church I hated, in other words, that denomination.
After a short time she saw him on tv, and acted disgusted, like, "what a lying damned jerk".
I still held on, and kept the tape, I think, though my bro threw a lot of my stuff out, so probably that's where it went. But he also was a Pentecostal, which for a while was the salvation of me. I saw them doing the things that the Holy Spirit said to do, in the Bible. The Catholics did not.
It took me a while to get it sorted out, this was one of the guys who got outed in the press, for constantly visiting a prostitute. She talked in a porn magazine about it, mentioned something I've never heard since, that he proposed a menage à trois involving him, her and the woman's eight year old daughter.
Yep, no one, not even the press, ever mentioned that again. After that I thought no more of him, he's a typical hypocrite.
But for some reason a part of me really believed, and I thought, but he was really healing people, I saw it on tv. I didn't know that was a well known trick until this last year, th particular healing I saw, easy to fake. You get your friend's good old boy friend to come up for healing, and it's pre-arranged.
That was God shielding me from the gruesome truth until I was mature enough to deal with it. Maybe still waters do run deep after all.
The guy who posted the video about Mr. Excommunicates-women- for-fun-and-profit, I'm glad he provided a learning experience for me. It sounds absolutely like that famous pastor is a phony and all the other creepy stuff I've been saying, totally is against God's way of Holiness, and in favor of wearing down the saints just like his father the evil one. He wants to wear down the saints because he was worn down because he was and is stupid.
As I said in that other post, he publicly made fun of those who speak in tongues, and made it clear that that sort of thing in churches is not real.
The guy who posted that video about the bad pastor, keeps having a back and forth issue about "Once Saved, Always Saved", seems to have trouble reading the Bible. It says that the people who really are given the true Gospel, the seed, are people who either reject it outright, or accept it but only for a time, or accept it and give back a good harvest.
There is more to that, but that's how it is. Some people get saved, really, and hang onto their salvation. Some lose it. So Once Saved Always Saved is absolutely true ...for some people. And not for people who reject the Kingdom and wear down the saints.
There were a bunch of U Tubers who were Christians who were discussing this whole thing, because a certain woman who exposed the story after twenty years, exposed it on her website.
It turned out also that the woman who was excommunicated was suffering from two major conditions, was recovering from brain cancer and I don't know what else, something serious.
I wonder if the plethora of other guys who talked about it also deleted their discussion of it.
Re the channel that put out the video about it that I posted in my last entry, the guy who puts it ou, He's older, maybe 40, 50, possibly older. I think. But he definitely thinks there's nothing wrong with the pastor who's got a Mercedes, a big house and an enormous income. Apparently because that's not about sex? Hard to say. But one time he had a scripture quote right on his screen, about giving money to the pastors, partying them... and he read it completely wrong.
He read it exactly the opposite of the way it showed on the screen.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14:
For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? ...
So, okay, the pastor should get paid, a double share. Or whatever. Then the passage goes on, but in a different tone:
15 But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting. 16 For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. 18 What then is my reward? That in my preaching I may present the gospel free of charge, so as not to make full use of my right in the gospel.
This guy acted like he was reading this out loud, but he was saying his own words, saying 'I have the right to be paid plenty, and I'm going to be paid plenty'. Just the opposite of what Paul said. He's out there in public saying it to a huge audience, not just a few. He's so thorough about looking up the Greek, and so scholarly. But he didn't even read the actual words on his screen and ours.
I did make a comment about it at the channel, but this guy said once that there's no way he can read all the comments. I think because his viewership is pretty large.
In addition to his own church responsibilities, as he pastors a church.
That was really...what the heck? You seem to have a lot of responsibility, but are you worth your wages?
Paul is really talking about the life to come, which will always be living in and from the Father. If you are not able to get past the needs and desires of this World, how will you see clearly into heaven???
There was a "woman reporter", "who was worldly", or something like that. She was the one who reported the thing on her website, the whole process of EG having to go outside the church to get protection from her wifebeating pedophile church husband.
In one of the comments, someone said she knew the lady reporter, who was actually at one time a member of the church, or maybe of a partner church in the area.
Her job was to do with the liturgy, or worship music. I can't go back and check, since the video was taken down.
There is one more odd thing about this whole idea of these guys who commented on the video. Come to think no of it I can only remember three.
But within a week after any of them coming out, there was another guy who posted a video, to which all comment were blocked. It said it's an interview with the pastor who excommunicated the beaten abused woman, and there was a fair amount of talk about the poor famous much-loved, hard working rich pastor who was getting talked about so much recently.
NOTHING was mentioned about WHY he was getting talked about. (The 20 year past excommunicating of a woman who didn't deserve it)
In the comments and in the videos people were saying he should publicly repent, he needs to apologize in public. He's a public guy, pastoring a church and has all kinds of followers. Kind like Billy Graham, or Ravi Zacharias, Joel Osteen. He publicly did wrong
His only public comment he made about it was that he had trusted his pastoral staff, who were all against her going outside the church to get immediate help from government authority. They all said God wants her to go back to her husband (hateful, unbelieving men, but are no doubt still friends and church staff, no discipline or correction ever mentioned).
Anyway, it reminds me of the cheating accountant in the Bible, he kept cheating all along, his boss came back after being incommunicado a long time, out of the country. He knew th boss was coming back, but knew he couldn't pay back the money he'd been stealing, because he was too lazy, he would not work or beg. He was not even going to try.
And he just arranged with the people who owed the boss money, to only collect a little of the debt, and then he would write "Paid" under their account.
So when the boss came back, he would have friends outside the firm, who he could rely on to help him out.
But God says, don't do that. It worked for that cheater, but his boss will NEVER take him back, and we're talking about Eternity.
The problem is something I never thought existed, even though it's been right in front of me all my life: the homosexual, wife beating pedophile, who represents himself as church man. The Worldly man.
And tt women he drags down. At this point I don't even know if the two women are really real or acting on their own, or are part of a big scam to make it look like women are put upon by fakely Christian bastards. "Pastors".
But it sure seems to me like this is what I have seen, in the Catholic church--the church I was born into. I can't even talk about what I saw and experienced. But he'll is real, for a reason.
After a while when we see hypocrites, we know it's real. I more or less got fooled by one when I first got saved. In short because this woman who first brought me there was following him, had his tapes. She gave one to me, and I ate it up. He was speaking against everything I hated. The church I hated, in other words, that denomination.
After a short time she saw him on tv, and acted disgusted, like, "what a lying damned jerk".
I still held on, and kept the tape, I think, though my bro threw a lot of my stuff out, so probably that's where it went. But he also was a Pentecostal, which for a while was the salvation of me. I saw them doing the things that the Holy Spirit said to do, in the Bible. The Catholics did not.
It took me a while to get it sorted out, this was one of the guys who got outed in the press, for constantly visiting a prostitute. She talked in a porn magazine about it, mentioned something I've never heard since, that he proposed a menage à trois involving him, her and the woman's eight year old daughter.
Yep, no one, not even the press, ever mentioned that again. After that I thought no more of him, he's a typical hypocrite.
But for some reason a part of me really believed, and I thought, but he was really healing people, I saw it on tv. I didn't know that was a well known trick until this last year, th particular healing I saw, easy to fake. You get your friend's good old boy friend to come up for healing, and it's pre-arranged.
That was God shielding me from the gruesome truth until I was mature enough to deal with it. Maybe still waters do run deep after all.
The guy who posted the video about Mr. Excommunicates-women- for-fun-and-profit, I'm glad he provided a learning experience for me. It sounds absolutely like that famous pastor is a phony and all the other creepy stuff I've been saying, totally is against God's way of Holiness, and in favor of wearing down the saints just like his father the evil one. He wants to wear down the saints because he was worn down because he was and is stupid.
As I said in that other post, he publicly made fun of those who speak in tongues, and made it clear that that sort of thing in churches is not real.
The guy who posted that video about the bad pastor, keeps having a back and forth issue about "Once Saved, Always Saved", seems to have trouble reading the Bible. It says that the people who really are given the true Gospel, the seed, are people who either reject it outright, or accept it but only for a time, or accept it and give back a good harvest.
There is more to that, but that's how it is. Some people get saved, really, and hang onto their salvation. Some lose it. So Once Saved Always Saved is absolutely true ...for some people. And not for people who reject the Kingdom and wear down the saints.