Musing more details on Phyllis dress.
Ok, I am musing a little more on this dress before I commit to things. After some of the comments from ladies on dressdiaries and other friends elsewhen, the image I am working with does seem to plausibly be a French interpretation of the "Italian fashion". And looking at Realm of Venus web site (courtesy of realm_of_venus), it may be that the sleeves with its slashes & puffs are what give that "Italian fashion" or possibly more precisely, the Venetian fashion (so not my area). I have a feeling it curves around to German fashions yet again, but this time for women.
Here are two pages with enough images to show what I mean: 1490s and 1500s. This works well with the time frame the image seems to be based on, which is sometime c. 1500.
What does not usually match is that the bodice in the French image appears to be closer to waist length with a square neck. The Venetian styles seem to be high waisted (just under the bust in the images we can see this), and usually scoop or round necked. A few show a square neck, but no idea how low the waistline is on those few images.
The other item brought up by marymont also had to do with the French woman is wearing a small gold colored cap at the very back of her head. This may be held in place by the circlet with pearls she is wearing. marymont suggested this image as another example - but I just could not visualize the cap itself. I did try to find other Italian images of such a cap, but the other images on the Realm of Venus sites just did not show anything more than occasional circlets or hair braids encircling the head - but then again I just may not be seeing it yet again. I will need to study the images on my better monitor once the area in front of it is cleared.
I think I can create both of these items with cord, fabric, and maybe even a store-bought buckram cap (or steam my own) so I may attempt this, depending on time. I am not sure if I should make it of matching fabric to one of the two fabrics I will be using, or make it from some all gold fabric I have in my stash. I will figure it out later.
While I did want to eventually make an Italian dress, I find it amusing and disconcerting that for a Tudor Ball, my chosen gown (as chosen by poll) ends up being less Tudor and more Italian. At least I can document the Italian fashion (written in English warrants at least), and it is seemingly a French idea of an Italian style. But a part of me is wondering if it might be better to just go with the typical Tudor fashion after all. I'm just trying to remember that Field of Cloth of Gold also included the French, not just the English, wearing their finest fashions. I'm just pushing into an area beyond my comfort zone.
Well, back to pressing my linens for the smocks.
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Here are two pages with enough images to show what I mean: 1490s and 1500s. This works well with the time frame the image seems to be based on, which is sometime c. 1500.
What does not usually match is that the bodice in the French image appears to be closer to waist length with a square neck. The Venetian styles seem to be high waisted (just under the bust in the images we can see this), and usually scoop or round necked. A few show a square neck, but no idea how low the waistline is on those few images.
The other item brought up by marymont also had to do with the French woman is wearing a small gold colored cap at the very back of her head. This may be held in place by the circlet with pearls she is wearing. marymont suggested this image as another example - but I just could not visualize the cap itself. I did try to find other Italian images of such a cap, but the other images on the Realm of Venus sites just did not show anything more than occasional circlets or hair braids encircling the head - but then again I just may not be seeing it yet again. I will need to study the images on my better monitor once the area in front of it is cleared.
I think I can create both of these items with cord, fabric, and maybe even a store-bought buckram cap (or steam my own) so I may attempt this, depending on time. I am not sure if I should make it of matching fabric to one of the two fabrics I will be using, or make it from some all gold fabric I have in my stash. I will figure it out later.
While I did want to eventually make an Italian dress, I find it amusing and disconcerting that for a Tudor Ball, my chosen gown (as chosen by poll) ends up being less Tudor and more Italian. At least I can document the Italian fashion (written in English warrants at least), and it is seemingly a French idea of an Italian style. But a part of me is wondering if it might be better to just go with the typical Tudor fashion after all. I'm just trying to remember that Field of Cloth of Gold also included the French, not just the English, wearing their finest fashions. I'm just pushing into an area beyond my comfort zone.
Well, back to pressing my linens for the smocks.
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