Egads! I'm playing with the idea of how it would be possible to depower Nobodies via taking away their weapons for a fic idea and it involves a lot of Magical Science (TM) and force-fields and somehow explaining why the Nobody in question can't just snap their fingers and re-materialise it. Or make the weapon in question just fly across the room to them. Or anything like that, since by all appearances their weapons are intrinsically linked to them and under their mental control. So, yeah, just picking it up is kiiind of unlikely to have the effect that person wants >...although now I'm trying to figure out what effect touching/picking up a Nobody's weapon would /have/ and wondering if it's taboo, kind of like touching someone's Daemon in HDM since you could think of the weapons as tied directly to their soul and BACK BUNNIES BAAAACK
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You have a reference to HDM in here, that merits a glomp *glomps* After I finished reading that I'm like '*sniff* I want a dæmon! *cry*' I'm such a dork ^_^U
XD GET HER, BUNNIES!! MAKE HER WRITE EPIC FICS!!!! *cackle*
*glomps back* And I knoow daemons would be so cool. ;_; But I actually really like this idea, that grabbing a Nobody's weapon would be, next to very, very stupid, somehow taboo and eeh.
...but I already HAVE an epic fic in the works! D: I can't focus on more than one at a time! Although I might be able to fit this in there somewhere, since the fic basically consists of all the cool ideas I love playing around with but tend to think of as unwriteable due to being too strange.
Okay okay, I'm going to work on it! >> Although it'll be a while until I get to the idea as there is a lot of plot to come first. And suffering Zexion and Vexen.
Hmm, I'd have to disagree with your disagreement. I think that while the numbering system may have originally been indicative of the order in which they became Nobodies, I don't think that it's linked to age-- after all, Ienzo was the youngest of the Original Six, but I don't think there's any argument that can be made for, say, Axel being younger than Zexion.
This is kind of why I put the 'not always true' disclaimer in there. Maybe this isn't how it was originally intended (as a denotation of skill level), but some Organization members even take it that way-- for example, Vexen thinks that Marluxia doesn't have the right to insult him, because Vexen is an 'elder' and Marluxia is a neophyte.
Whoo, long comments for the win. ^__^
HDM<3 I think that would be pretty accurate, actually, to say that touching a Nobody's weapon is kind of taboo. And now I'm thinking about it, too... -__- Oh, woe. XD
I think by "age," they meant "length of time spent as a Nobody" or "length of time spent in the Org," not necessarily "length of time since physical birth." Organization numbers DO seem to reflect seniority in the group.
Age meaning order in which they became Nobodies, as has been said. The original six were, as said, the original six, then Saix joined, then Axel, etc. Roxas is number Thirteen since he's only been around for a short while. Not physical age - sorry, should've made that clearer.
Agree with you on some Organization members taking it that way. Plus... my pet theory is that the early days of the Org were highly unpleasant, when they were still confused as to wtf was going on, what had happened to them, what they were, etc. Which is why the original six + Saix are so close-knit and loyal, since they went through shit together. However, things changed, they built up the Org and so when it comes to the newbies... on the elders' side, there's the resentment that they've basically had everything the originals really strove for and built from scratch handed to them on a silver platter and don't even appreciate what they have. On the neophytes', it's that the elders look down on them just because they're new, etc. etc. And I AM GOING OFF ON A
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TANGENTS ARE FUN AND ARE FREQUENTLY THE SPAWN OF PLOT BUNNIES as evidenced by above. ^_^
Hmm that's a good theory. It makes sense-- not something I'd ever really considered before, but it definitely makes sense. I think a mistake that a lot of fanthings people seem to make with the Organization is that they're all buddy-buddy because they're in the same boat (usually I see this from people who haven't read/played CoM, and it could just be my imagination).
[: I would write it if I had writing skills that I was reasonably confident of. As it is, I don't.
At least it is a fun and multipurpose bunny and actually serves to patch up a plot hole in the fic I'm planning! :)
It occurred to me once and I thought it made a lot of sense regarding character interaction, and especially why Saix seems to belong more to the original six than the neophytes in terms of loyalty, power in the hierarchy and the like. And really, when you think about it the early days of the Org /can't/ have been pleasant.
And ogod, buddybuddy? Someone has really not played or read CoM. Although what I also dislike is the other option - when people go the "the Org all really dislike each other!" route, ignoring canonical relationships (I haven't seen this that often, but it grates.)
"Whoa, shit, we don't have hearts anymore? What the hell, man, this really fuckin' sucks. I guess we better try to figure it out together."
In all honesty, I think it's really difficult to write/play a character from the Organization without having first at least read Chain of Memories. A lot of their dynamic is explained in there... the same girl who spawned this rant once tried to convince me that Larxene would be friends with Zexion. I lol'd.
Exactly! Pretty much all of what we see in the KH series of the Nobodies had to be built up pretty much from scratch, after all. And that can't have been easy.
Friends with... I can see Larxene and Zexion interacting non-antagonistically but it would be seriously creepy and nothing near so nice as "friends". (I think I had a bunny once where they were on a mission together and basically competing in how quickly/well they could break people, Larxene from the physical side, Zexion on the mental.) I shy away from calling Nobody interactions friendships anyway due to the no-heart thing. Larxene and Zexion? It is to laugh.
I would have to agree. That competition idea is interesting, especially because neither of them would want to admit it xDD. I think Axel and Roxas' relationship is bordering on friendship, but that's probably mostly Roxas' fault as he does still have a beating heart... Though something I've been exploring of late is the soul's connection to the metaphysical function of the heart (also known as Emily's Theory on Why Nobodies Can Still Feel Even Though They Don't Have Hearts). It's slow going. xDD
I knooow. All that time building everything up and all. ;_;
The competition, I think, would be hilarious if it weren't so damned creepy. And you're right, neither would want to admit the loss. XD
Agreed on Axel and Roxas, and there are other Nobody relationships I personally think of as pretty close to friendship (all of the inter-II-VI ones, for one) but I tend to think that there's still a lack of warm fuzzy feelings there. Then again, I genuinely like the Org-have-little-to-no-emotions and enjoy playing around with the idea, and especially with how you /can/ still have them feel things rather like grief in a roundabout way (I had a fic in the works for a while about Xigbar after CoM. ...I abandon a lot of my fics, kay.) Although your theory sounds interesting! *g*
Theories re: Kingdom Hearts are so much fun, even if a lot of the Organization-based theories are going to be made null once 358/2 Days comes out...
My friend Sarah came up to me once and was like "You know, the Organization wasn't really doing anything... I mean, it was kind of not okay for them to be turning people into Nobodies, but they were really just looking for their hearts. I wonder what Sora would do if he found out that he basically killed a bunch of innocent people?" That one spawned plot bunnies that are still in the works to this day. -__-
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After I finished reading that I'm like '*sniff* I want a dæmon! *cry*' I'm such a dork ^_^U
XD GET HER, BUNNIES!! MAKE HER WRITE EPIC FICS!!!! *cackle*
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...but I already HAVE an epic fic in the works! D: I can't focus on more than one at a time! Although I might be able to fit this in there somewhere, since the fic basically consists of all the cool ideas I love playing around with but tend to think of as unwriteable due to being too strange.
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I APPROVE OF THIS EPIC IDEA AND SECOND THE MOTION FOR EPIC FIC. o/
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This is kind of why I put the 'not always true' disclaimer in there. Maybe this isn't how it was originally intended (as a denotation of skill level), but some Organization members even take it that way-- for example, Vexen thinks that Marluxia doesn't have the right to insult him, because Vexen is an 'elder' and Marluxia is a neophyte.
Whoo, long comments for the win. ^__^
HDM<3 I think that would be pretty accurate, actually, to say that touching a Nobody's weapon is kind of taboo. And now I'm thinking about it, too... -__- Oh, woe. XD
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Agree with you on some Organization members taking it that way. Plus... my pet theory is that the early days of the Org were highly unpleasant, when they were still confused as to wtf was going on, what had happened to them, what they were, etc. Which is why the original six + Saix are so close-knit and loyal, since they went through shit together. However, things changed, they built up the Org and so when it comes to the newbies... on the elders' side, there's the resentment that they've basically had everything the originals really strove for and built from scratch handed to them on a silver platter and don't even appreciate what they have. On the neophytes', it's that the elders look down on them just because they're new, etc. etc. And I AM GOING OFF ON A ( ... )
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Hmm that's a good theory. It makes sense-- not something I'd ever really considered before, but it definitely makes sense. I think a mistake that a lot of fanthings people seem to make with the Organization is that they're all buddy-buddy because they're in the same boat (usually I see this from people who haven't read/played CoM, and it could just be my imagination).
[: I would write it if I had writing skills that I was reasonably confident of. As it is, I don't.
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It occurred to me once and I thought it made a lot of sense regarding character interaction, and especially why Saix seems to belong more to the original six than the neophytes in terms of loyalty, power in the hierarchy and the like. And really, when you think about it the early days of the Org /can't/ have been pleasant.
And ogod, buddybuddy? Someone has really not played or read CoM. Although what I also dislike is the other option - when people go the "the Org all really dislike each other!" route, ignoring canonical relationships (I haven't seen this that often, but it grates.)
...bah humbug.
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In all honesty, I think it's really difficult to write/play a character from the Organization without having first at least read Chain of Memories. A lot of their dynamic is explained in there... the same girl who spawned this rant once tried to convince me that Larxene would be friends with Zexion. I lol'd.
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Friends with... I can see Larxene and Zexion interacting non-antagonistically but it would be seriously creepy and nothing near so nice as "friends". (I think I had a bunny once where they were on a mission together and basically competing in how quickly/well they could break people, Larxene from the physical side, Zexion on the mental.) I shy away from calling Nobody interactions friendships anyway due to the no-heart thing. Larxene and Zexion? It is to laugh.
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I would have to agree. That competition idea is interesting, especially because neither of them would want to admit it xDD. I think Axel and Roxas' relationship is bordering on friendship, but that's probably mostly Roxas' fault as he does still have a beating heart... Though something I've been exploring of late is the soul's connection to the metaphysical function of the heart (also known as Emily's Theory on Why Nobodies Can Still Feel Even Though They Don't Have Hearts). It's slow going. xDD
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The competition, I think, would be hilarious if it weren't so damned creepy. And you're right, neither would want to admit the loss. XD
Agreed on Axel and Roxas, and there are other Nobody relationships I personally think of as pretty close to friendship (all of the inter-II-VI ones, for one) but I tend to think that there's still a lack of warm fuzzy feelings there. Then again, I genuinely like the Org-have-little-to-no-emotions and enjoy playing around with the idea, and especially with how you /can/ still have them feel things rather like grief in a roundabout way (I had a fic in the works for a while about Xigbar after CoM. ...I abandon a lot of my fics, kay.) Although your theory sounds interesting! *g*
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My friend Sarah came up to me once and was like "You know, the Organization wasn't really doing anything... I mean, it was kind of not okay for them to be turning people into Nobodies, but they were really just looking for their hearts. I wonder what Sora would do if he found out that he basically killed a bunch of innocent people?" That one spawned plot bunnies that are still in the works to this day. -__-
(I abandon a lot of fics, too. *__*)
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