One of those things that just WILL NOT DIE!
Feel free to ignore this. Yes it's the "Owen is a rapist" argument again. Someone raised the issue and my obsessive, compulsive self just can't leave it alone. I invited the anonymous posters to come back here and take the wank off the secret comms, but I'm not sure they'll show.
THESE ARE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER
THESE ARE THE NAMES IN THE CASE
THIS IS THE STORY, THE PASSION
THE TIME AND THE PLACE
THEY'RE LAID HERE BEFORE YOU
SO JUDGE IF YOU CAN -
THE DEVIL INCARNATE OR
A MISUNDERSTOOD MAN?
In this case, one Owen Harper and some alien sex spray as seen used in Everything Changes.
Here's the transcript of the scenes in question as posted at tw_transcripts.
INT. BAR - NIGHT
(Owen is in a bar. He takes a sip of his drink, turns and sees a beautiful blonde woman
sitting at the bar. He heads over and stands next to her.)
OWEN HARPER: Hello.
LINDA: All right?
OWEN HARPER: You having a good time?
LINDA: I was.
OWEN HARPER: (nods) Can I buy you a drink?
LINDA: No, thanks, I'm fine.
(She takes a sip of her own drink.)
OWEN HARPER: Am I wasting my time?
LINDA: I dunno, are you?
(Owen finishes his drink and puts his glass down.)
OWEN HARPER: Look. I've got to be up early and I've got hell of a day tomorrow and
I really can't be bothered with all the chat.
(She laughs at his audacity. He digs into his pocket and pulls out the perfume spray
bottle. He sprays the glowing liquid on his face. He tucks the bottle back in his pocket.)
OWEN HARPER: So ... do you want a drink or what?
(She takes a deep breath. She grabs him and kisses him passionately.)
LINDA: Bloody hell fire! You're coming home with me, you are. Right now!
(She grabs him and pulls him toward the door.)
EXT. SIDEWALK OUTSIDE BAR - NIGHT
(Owen and Linda are walking down the sidewalk. Linda has a hold on Owen’s arm. A man
catches up with them.)
COLIN: Oi, you bastard, come here! Linda, what are you doing with him? What the
fuck do you think you are doing?!
LINDA: I'm taking him home and I'm having him, now piss off!
COLIN: What the fuck d'you think you're doing with my girlfriend? You bastard!
OWEN HARPER: Hey, I didn’t know. She was on her own. She never said.
COLIN: You tosser. You fucking tosser.
LINDA: Colin, button it, he's mine.
COLIN: Do you want to have a go, do you? Do you want to have a go? Come on then
mate!
OWEN HARPER: Well, if it makes it easier ...
(Owen takes out the perfume spray bottle and sprays the liquid on his face. Owen smiles at
him. Colin grabs Owen by the face and kisses him.)
COLIN: I am so having you.
(Linda pushes Colin away from Owen.)
LINDA: I'm having him first!
OWEN HARPER: Taxi!
And here is the interpretation that some people take from it:
This was posted to both fandomsecrets and who_secrets in the past week
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6136/whosecretowentx6.png
It's not 100% clear that anything actually happens. The way the scene is cut, Owen could have been calling the taxi to get away from from both of them.
BUT, even if they did all go home together or even get it on in the cab, I'm not ready to convict Owen of rape, which some people are quite devoted to doing. Obsessively so, I'd say.
Linda said "no" to a drink, but she didn't look completely uninterested. Somewhat amused, intrigued, even.
I find it very hard to believe the spray makes people do things they weren't inclined to do anyway. I really think it's very similar to 51st century pheremones. (There's even been speculation that the spray is made of that.)
Clearly Jack doesn't see Owen as a rapist. He takes back the spray with nothing stronger than a presumed reprimand for taking alien tech off premises. It's treated as equivalent to Tosh's book reader. Tosh continues to crush on Owen, and I'm sure that wouldn't happen if his actions were meant to be read that way.
And to be absolutely pedantic, we don't know for a fact that Owen has ever actually used the spray to get anyone in bed. (Yes, it's an assumption, but we don't KNOW.)
Obviously mere facts will not convince those who reallyreally need to believe it for whatever reason and are emotionally invested in believing it. I should know better, but some things just press my buttons so much it's impossible to stop myself.
Here's a bit of a thought experiment. What if Owen were played by more "clasically handsome" actor rather than Burn Gorman's deliciously craggy self? Someone of who the easy answer would be "Oh he doesn't need it." Fine. What if he were using it anyway? What if it were a character who hadn't been placed in opposition to another one who's become a favorite in certain quarters? Just asking.
Just to head off a few possible questions:
1. I am a woman.
2. I've never been raped.
3. I take rape seriously.
4. I take date-rape seriously.
5. I don't think anyone is ever "asking for it."
6. I find non-con and dub-con fic insanely hot when well-written.
7. See #3
8. I still don't think Owen is a rapist. If you need to hate on him, so be it, but I think the "rape" thing is crapola.
THESE ARE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER
THESE ARE THE NAMES IN THE CASE
THIS IS THE STORY, THE PASSION
THE TIME AND THE PLACE
THEY'RE LAID HERE BEFORE YOU
SO JUDGE IF YOU CAN -
THE DEVIL INCARNATE OR
A MISUNDERSTOOD MAN?
In this case, one Owen Harper and some alien sex spray as seen used in Everything Changes.
Here's the transcript of the scenes in question as posted at tw_transcripts.
INT. BAR - NIGHT
(Owen is in a bar. He takes a sip of his drink, turns and sees a beautiful blonde woman
sitting at the bar. He heads over and stands next to her.)
OWEN HARPER: Hello.
LINDA: All right?
OWEN HARPER: You having a good time?
LINDA: I was.
OWEN HARPER: (nods) Can I buy you a drink?
LINDA: No, thanks, I'm fine.
(She takes a sip of her own drink.)
OWEN HARPER: Am I wasting my time?
LINDA: I dunno, are you?
(Owen finishes his drink and puts his glass down.)
OWEN HARPER: Look. I've got to be up early and I've got hell of a day tomorrow and
I really can't be bothered with all the chat.
(She laughs at his audacity. He digs into his pocket and pulls out the perfume spray
bottle. He sprays the glowing liquid on his face. He tucks the bottle back in his pocket.)
OWEN HARPER: So ... do you want a drink or what?
(She takes a deep breath. She grabs him and kisses him passionately.)
LINDA: Bloody hell fire! You're coming home with me, you are. Right now!
(She grabs him and pulls him toward the door.)
EXT. SIDEWALK OUTSIDE BAR - NIGHT
(Owen and Linda are walking down the sidewalk. Linda has a hold on Owen’s arm. A man
catches up with them.)
COLIN: Oi, you bastard, come here! Linda, what are you doing with him? What the
fuck do you think you are doing?!
LINDA: I'm taking him home and I'm having him, now piss off!
COLIN: What the fuck d'you think you're doing with my girlfriend? You bastard!
OWEN HARPER: Hey, I didn’t know. She was on her own. She never said.
COLIN: You tosser. You fucking tosser.
LINDA: Colin, button it, he's mine.
COLIN: Do you want to have a go, do you? Do you want to have a go? Come on then
mate!
OWEN HARPER: Well, if it makes it easier ...
(Owen takes out the perfume spray bottle and sprays the liquid on his face. Owen smiles at
him. Colin grabs Owen by the face and kisses him.)
COLIN: I am so having you.
(Linda pushes Colin away from Owen.)
LINDA: I'm having him first!
OWEN HARPER: Taxi!
And here is the interpretation that some people take from it:
This was posted to both fandomsecrets and who_secrets in the past week
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6136/whosecretowentx6.png
It's not 100% clear that anything actually happens. The way the scene is cut, Owen could have been calling the taxi to get away from from both of them.
BUT, even if they did all go home together or even get it on in the cab, I'm not ready to convict Owen of rape, which some people are quite devoted to doing. Obsessively so, I'd say.
Linda said "no" to a drink, but she didn't look completely uninterested. Somewhat amused, intrigued, even.
I find it very hard to believe the spray makes people do things they weren't inclined to do anyway. I really think it's very similar to 51st century pheremones. (There's even been speculation that the spray is made of that.)
Clearly Jack doesn't see Owen as a rapist. He takes back the spray with nothing stronger than a presumed reprimand for taking alien tech off premises. It's treated as equivalent to Tosh's book reader. Tosh continues to crush on Owen, and I'm sure that wouldn't happen if his actions were meant to be read that way.
And to be absolutely pedantic, we don't know for a fact that Owen has ever actually used the spray to get anyone in bed. (Yes, it's an assumption, but we don't KNOW.)
Obviously mere facts will not convince those who reallyreally need to believe it for whatever reason and are emotionally invested in believing it. I should know better, but some things just press my buttons so much it's impossible to stop myself.
Here's a bit of a thought experiment. What if Owen were played by more "clasically handsome" actor rather than Burn Gorman's deliciously craggy self? Someone of who the easy answer would be "Oh he doesn't need it." Fine. What if he were using it anyway? What if it were a character who hadn't been placed in opposition to another one who's become a favorite in certain quarters? Just asking.
Just to head off a few possible questions:
1. I am a woman.
2. I've never been raped.
3. I take rape seriously.
4. I take date-rape seriously.
5. I don't think anyone is ever "asking for it."
6. I find non-con and dub-con fic insanely hot when well-written.
7. See #3
8. I still don't think Owen is a rapist. If you need to hate on him, so be it, but I think the "rape" thing is crapola.