Bechdel test - ST:TNG (4x05 - 4x06)

[kangeiko]

I'm off to Zambia tomorrow. I should have internet access while there, but I'm going to be super-busy so I don't know if I'll have opportunity to post! I'm one of the official bloggers of the event, so when I get back I'll cross-post here, as appropriate.

Anyway, before I go, 4x05 - 4x06:

Comments

[alicamel]

I'm really enjoying these posts. I always wondered how often Troi and Crusher talk to each other without talking about men. And I'm now curious about how Voyager and DS9 would do!

[kangeiko]

I'm so glad you're enjoying them, I'm having a great time with this!

And I'm now curious about how Voyager and DS9 would do!

I'm sorta hand-writing DSN as I watch episodes here and there - I'm watching it with queenspanky, who is new to it - and should have some comparisons with TNG up once I get back. It's fascinating, admittedly the stuff I've been writing the stats for is mainly S4 episodes, but nearly all eps blow the race-Bechdel out of the water. I've noticed that TNG is suffering from the 'everyone talks to Picard, Riker and Data' syndrome, where most dialogue is directed at the most senior person in the room, who tends to be one of those 3. DSN has this as well, but the most senior people tend to be POC or women, which helps. I'm guessing that VOY would also score similarly highly... I don't suppose you'd fancy running it through its paces? *grin*

[alicamel]

Oh, I look forward to the DS9 ones! Yes, the whole talking to the senior people thin is interesting. I might give Voyager a go, actually, I've just put it all on disks, but I haven't actually deleted the episodes off my computer... hmmm. I was just wondering how well it would do at the race test, but then I remembered that Chakotay is Native American. *facepalm*

[kangeiko]

I was just wondering how well it would do at the race test, but then I remembered that Chakotay is Native American. *facepalm*

Hee! Even though the actor is actually hispanic... I suppose it still counts. *g* And we have Harry and Tuvok as well. Come to think of it, Paris, the Doctor and Neelix would be the only white males who regularly get lines...

[alicamel]

They spent alot of time talking about Chakotay's upbringing, I'd be interested in more informed opinions on how well it was done. My gut instinct says not well, to be honest, but I don't know nearly enough about Native American culture to make any sort of judgement. Plus I don't really like Chakotay, so the Chakotay-centric episodes are not my favourites. :/

I'm defiantely going to have go ahead with this, aren't I? *g*

[kangeiko]

They spent alot of time talking about Chakotay's upbringing, I'd be interested in more informed opinions on how well it was done. My gut instinct says not well, to be honest, but I don't know nearly enough about Native American culture to make any sort of judgement.

All I know about Native American culture I learned from the X-Files... I suspect that my knowledge is somewhat incomplete!

I'm defiantely going to have go ahead with this, aren't I? *g*

TOTALLY. Mwahahaha!

[alicamel]

You are EVIL. Evilevilevil.

That said, may I steal your rules and format? Pretty please? :D

(You are exhausting my supply of trek icons. I need to find some Voyager ones before I start, clearly.)

[kangeiko]

Of course! It is in no way my format, I think dsudis's SG1 counting influenced it greatly, so go, count people!

(You are exhausting my supply of trek icons. I need to find some Voyager ones before I start, clearly.)

Time for trek_icons again! (I appear to only have 1 TNG icon. UNACCEPTABLE.)

[alicamel]

Yay! :D

Tis no good! Trek icons must be had! Although, look what I found lurking in my usericons... I forgot I made that! Clearly I have too many icons. No, wait! I didn't say that!

(Also, interestingly, research reveals that Robert Beltan is of Mexican-Native American descent and describes himself as Latindio, according to imdb and wikipedia.)

[kangeiko]

Mwahahahahaha! *priceless*

(Also, interestingly, research reveals that Robert Beltan is of Mexican-Native American descent and describes himself as Latindio, according to imdb and wikipedia.)

Interesting, I did not know that...

[alicamel]

The pilot episode of Voyager has twenty-six speaking roles.

Twenty-six.

I need a lie down.

[kangeiko]

Ahahahaha! Don't worry, most of them died. :)