Giant TV post

[kalquessa]

So it turns out that when you have to sit and hook yourself up to a breast pump and be milked like a cow several times a day, you end up watching a lot of TV on the internet. I have thoughts.

Comments

[izhilzha]

I replied to what I read, as I perceived in kind. Sorry if you weren't wanting to hear that.

By all means, you are entitled to your opinion of Show. I don't have a problem with people pointing out what doesn't seem to be working. (I'm less than thrilled about the Gabriel thing--it was a bad decision on the writers' parts, a retcon that doesn't entirely work.)

But I'm really, really sick of people (not necessarily you, but in the above comment you sound a lot like them) who refuse to go find something they enjoy, rather than use fandom as an excuse to be pissy. It's not just SPN either, these people drove me off all the Numb3rs boards a year or so ago. I just...I do not get why someone would stick with a show that makes them throw fits online.

I wouldn't. I haven't. I don't. And it makes me unhappy that so many people seem to be living in that space now. I'm avoiding all I can, and I still can't have any squee without people I used to totally love reading spitting all over what I'm still enjoying. :(

Show's not perfect...not even as good as it used to be...but it's still fun to watch. And I, too, am a writer. Please don't pretend my opinion doesn't count or I don't hold storytellers to a high standard, because that's an implication I feel perfectly justified resenting.

[ficwriter1966]

I'm thinking you haven't had the opportunity to read my posts about the various episodes this season - most of which were largely positive, and several of which were *extremely* positive, even when a lot of other fans were going, "Eh? What was that mess?" I see by your post at your own LJ that you've been without Internet, so maybe you haven't seen my posts, or didn't have time to look below the cut.

I'm NOT one of the people "who use fandom as an excuse to be pissy." I don't live in that space. As I said, there's a lot about the show I still enjoy - particularly when the storytelling hangs together. And hey - I'm not saying your opinion doesn't matter, and I'm terribly sorry if it came across that way. I wouldn't have friended you if your opinion wasn't interesting (and/or didn't matter) to me. I do understand what you're saying about the people who complain 24/7 (most of them seem to live at TWoP) and it wasn't my intention to sound like one of them. I was feeling overly weary from seeing post after post about how awesome 5.09 was, when I don't feel that way about it at all. So anything that sounds like "put up or shut up" strikes me...kind of uncomfortably.

I hope we can...I don't know. Agree to disagree about this? I apologize if what I said came across as insulting, or pushed your buttons the wrong way. I'd like to move on, if we could.

[izhilzha]

So anything that sounds like "put up or shut up" strikes me...kind of uncomfortably.

Well, ditto--parts of your first comment struck me as "if you don't agree with me you must not be a very good judge of story." I gather that was not intentional, then? I've been biting my tongue for the past, oh, several weeks on the fandom insanity, and hearing something that sounded like that from you just... I couldn't bite said tongue any more.

I've deliberately avoided your past...2? or so ep reviews, because it looked like they made you unhappy. And there's so much harshness happening out there already, I didn't want to voluntarily inflict more on myself. (Not just you, mind; I think I have 3 or 4 people on my flist whose reviews I have quit even looking at.)

Sure, we can move on. I didn't mean to antagonize you--I'm just quite sick of fandom being cruel. I apologize if I over-reacted.

[ficwriter1966]

No, it wasn't aimed at you, or anyone else with an honest sense of what decent storytelling is. There's a certain percentage of the fandom that's *so* utterly non-discriminating that they make my brain roll around like a big marble inside my skull. All they need is for the show to be not-a-rerun, and for everyone's hair to look good, and they're off and squeeing. They insist on putting forth that "Kripke poops platinum nuggets!!!!" cheerleading all the time, and it's from them that I most often hear, "Why don't you love the show? Is something wrong with you? It's Sam and Dean! Come on!!!!"

I think you're a good deal more discriminating than that. Yes, I do believe you know what makes a good story. I just wish everyone had a firmer handle on that sort of thing.

By all means, skip right over my episode posts if they look unhappy. I still find the squee (there's something coming up in January I'm particularly excited about), and I definitely wish I could find it 24/7. Maybe I'm too old to connect with Kripke's brand of humor. Let's call it that. :)