The Paris Rioting

[jordan179]

Well, Sarkozy's in charge. Now is the time for him to actually do something about this riot.

Arrest people, or learn their identities and arrest them later. Then prosecute them ... pile on every felony he can find for them, rush their trials through, and toss them in prison for years for their participation. Build prison camps if necessary to

Comments

[skywaterblue]

I continue to maintain that the fact that the kids riot mean they're assimilating quite nicely. The French have a great and storied tradition of throwing shit at cops whenever they get unhappy.

(See also: oh, the Metro workers are striking? That only happens every two years, usually right when I'm in Paris and need to get to Lyon tomorrow.)

[xolo]

There are non-Moslems who live in poverty and despair, and presumably some of them are run over in traffic from time to time as well. They don't seem to riot at the drop of a hat, though. The civil war's already started.

[loganberrybunny]

Deportation would be a problem. Assuming they're actually French citizens, they're automatically EU citizens, and that gives them freedom of movement, residence and employment across the EU. I don't know whether French law allows for revocation of citizenship - British law does in connection with certain terrorism-related offences, but AFAIK it's only been used once and is extremely difficult.

(Deleted prison-camps remark, as I misread your post.)

[jordan179]

Deportation would be a problem. Assuming they're actually French citizens, they're automatically EU citizens, and that gives them freedom of movement, residence and employment across the EU.

I was talking about non-citizens when I referred to deportation. Obviously, one cannot "deport" citizens. I have a very strong suspicion that a good portion of the rioters aren't citizens, because they certainly seem not to identify with France.

[electorprince]

Last I checked, this one stems from a cop car running down two kids on a motorbike, not any sort of affiliation with terrorists of a religious nature or otherwise. They're pissed at the cops, who haven't made matters much better by laying siege to the whole suburb. I don't see the relevance in bashing Sarkozy over this.

[jordan179]

I'm not bashing Sarkozy. I'm saying that this is a chance to roll up the Islamic organizations in France.

[electorprince]

It was aimed at the in-general, not at you specifically. Sorry for the mix-up.

[kitten_goddess]

Drag off some "religious leaders," in handcuffs, on camera and with a deliberate display of disrespect to them.

I agree with everything else, except for the deliberate display of disrespect. Desecrating a fanatic's religion makes a terrorist into a martyr.

[autobeast]

I was going to say the same thing--one does not make martyrs of this, or appear to be fascist yourself.

[jordan179]

I agree with everything else, except for the deliberate display of disrespect. Desecrating a fanatic's religion makes a terrorist into a martyr.

The point is to lure more fanatics out of the woodwork to commit Suicide By Cop, until the swamp is drained and the survivors are too busy thanking God they are still alive to cause any more trouble.

[ziabandito555]

In my opinion this looks more like the LA Race Riots of the early 90's then anything really like true homegrown terrorism.

[jordan179]

In my opinion this looks more like the LA Race Riots of the early 90's then anything really like true homegrown terrorism.

I think that we dealt far too leniently with the LA race rioters. There were "gang leaders" who came to negotiate under the theory that it was their gangs attacking the people -- if I'd been in charge of that city, after I got the "leaders" in to "negotiate," they would have been next seen -- very publicly -- being dragged off to prison in shackles. And I would have ordered the police to shoot to kill -- take advantage of the gang anger to eliminate some of the scum from the population.

I hate gangsters, and most rioters, and I don't think that people who do this once should be given a chance to do it a second time.

[ziabandito555]

maybe we did maybe we didn't but the underlying causes of the riots remain all the same so its possible we'll have a repeat in another 5 or 6 years.

they would have been next seen ... being dragged off to prison in shackles.

because nothing cows a group that glorifies violence and prison sentences as well as racial dichotomy then people in power throwing the leaders of such groups in jail...

And I would have ordered the police to shoot to killwasn't police violence and brutality the entire reason the thing started in the first place

[jordan179]

... maybe we did maybe we didn't but the underlying causes of the riots remain all the same so its possible we'll have a repeat in another 5 or 6 years.

The "underlying cause" is Muslim hatred for the French. It has little to do with economics (though the French could improve things a bit by liberalizing their work rules), and everything to do with the preachings of Muslim religious fanatics.

they would have been next seen ... being dragged off to prison in shackles.

because nothing cows a group that glorifies violence and prison sentences as well as racial dichotomy then people in power throwing the leaders of such groups in jail...

No, because this would disrupt the groups behind the riots by depriving them of leadership (what happens when a gang is deprived of its leader? His lieutenants fight for the top spot), and because it would demonstrate that the tactic of rioting produced bad consequences for those who ordered the riots.

And I would have ordered the police to shoot to killwasn't police violence and brutality the