Morons Riot in Ferguson to Defend Rights of Stupid Big People to Rob, Beat Up Small People

Nov 24, 2014 23:26

After Michael Brown, a really stupid big guy, strong-armed a box of cigars from a store, he was stopped by Officer Darren Wilson, who caught him with the cigars.  Because Michael Brown was a really big guy, and really stupid, he thought he could beat up Officer Wilson, and began doing so.  Officer Wilson then proceeded to demonstrate to him that ( Read more... )

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Why so many? marmoe November 25 2014, 09:03:08 UTC
There don't seem to be reliable statistics on the number of people killed by the police each year, but it appears to be on the order of 1000 people a year in the US, out of a population of 320 million people. In Germany we have about 10 such killings per year out of 80 million people. The US rate is 25 times higher than that. Do you have that many morons - as you make Michael Brown out to be - or is there a fundamental difference in officer training, or what?

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 09:17:53 UTC
At a guess, it's because we're a more diverse society and our police are willing to aggressively enforce the law all over our cities, rather than accept de facto "no go" zones. You're going to pay for this in the future, when you finally get sick of letting foreigners carve off pieces of your country, and the emboldened Muslim minorities resist having the law enforced on them like everyone else ( ... )

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Re: Why so many? marmoe November 25 2014, 10:37:34 UTC
I find it funny how the official story changed over time. Several days after the shooting the Ferguson Chief declared that Wilson was unaware of the robbery at the time of the altercation. Now the official storyline is that Wilson stopped Brown for matching the description of a suspect. It was widely reported that Wilson had an orbital fracture, now it is clear that he had a slight bruise ( ... )

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 11:13:04 UTC
It was widely reported that Wilson had an orbital fracture, now it is clear that he had a slight bruise.

Um, CNN claimed he had only a slight bruise. However, how did he acquire this "slight bruise?" If Brown hit him, he committed assault and battery against a police officer in the performance of his duties, which was also resisting arrest.

According to Wilson's testimony he approached the two because they were walking in the middle of the road. Only after Johnson told him they were almost where they wanted to go and Brown threw expletives at him did he see the cigarillos and suspected them to be the suspect robbers.

Yes, so? "Walking in the middle of the road" was suspicious (and really idiotic) behavior. So was Brown's cursing at the police officer. That drew Wilson's attention, and at that point (accurately) suspected them to be the robbers.

He calls for reinforcement but does not wait and forces a two-on-one encounter. He also drives up so close that Brown can lock him inside his car. Is any of this standard procedure? Or ( ... )

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Re: Why so many? maxgoof November 25 2014, 13:18:38 UTC
More to the point, we're not arguing if the police story is right or wrong.

We are arguing whether the rioting is right or wrong. It clearly is wrong.

If we are going to compare the truth against what was said, let's continue with what the rioters are claiming:

According to them, Brown was standing with his hands in the air, saying "Don't shoot!" when he was shot in the back. This narrative was told by, surprise surprise, the person who was in the convenience story with Brown when he stole the cigars, and has been repeated almost constantly. Some shop keepers put it on signs in front of their shop in the hope it would act like lamb's blood on the lintel.

That narrative was destroyed with ALL of the autopsies performed. Each one made it clear that the story told by police was closer to the truth than the story told by the accomplice to Brown's petty larceny.

And yet, the rioters cling to that story, and demand "justice".

They keep using that word. I don't think it means what they think it means.

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RE: Re: Why so many? eta_ta November 25 2014, 14:13:41 UTC
It would be justice if all violent looters were shot on the spot. That would be a primitive, jungle-plain justice even the brainless loudmouths should be able to understand.

Unfortunately, it will be perverted by the likes of CNN and Obama Administration, who by appeasing primitive lawless urges of mobs are sawing the branch they are sitting on

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 15:36:26 UTC
The Obama Administration has a lot of blame here, because they should have been acting to round up any agitators who came to Missouri across state lines to riot. They should also be rounding up the New Black Panther Party, which has now twice offered cash bounties for persons not convicted of any crimes. Eric Holder and Barack Obama, both racists, will not do this because of the race of the members of the New Black Panther Party.

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Re: Why so many? stokesgirl November 25 2014, 18:53:00 UTC
It is not Obama's responsibility to police our streets. It is up to the state and local governments to do that.

Typical, everything is Obama's fault.

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Re: Why so many? ford_prefect42 November 25 2014, 19:59:09 UTC
No, but it rather is Obama's responsibility not to inflame tensions or aggravate already problematic situations. Say, by telling rioters that they have a right to loot and pillage, or demanding that injustices be inflicted based on race.

The Obama Administration does bear some responsibility for this, because they have done a horrible horrible job of being the leaders of all the people of America, and have deliberately and consciously aggravated racial tensions in the US.

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 21:14:48 UTC
No, but interstate law enforcement is the job of Obama and Holder.

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RE: Re: Why so many? eta_ta November 25 2014, 19:07:28 UTC
But naturally, Obama and Holder ARE Black Panther Party - "in mufti", as old British spies would say.

Listen to his speech.

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Re: Why so many? eta_ta December 21 2014, 01:33:57 UTC
Jordan, I remembered this comment I made when I just listened to the press-conference and looked at mayor diBlasio. The man has no shame. This execution of two cops - it's all his doing! His and Sharpton and other provocateurs. They have incited the crowds, they have signaled vacuum of law and order, they encouraged this outrage.

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 15:19:25 UTC
Each one made it clear that the story told by police was closer to the truth than the story told by the accomplice to Brown's petty larceny.

Has anyone considered prosecuting Dorian Johnson for incitement to riot? His story is a complete fabrication, and he probably participated in the assault on Officer Wilson. His lies have already resulted in property damage and probably personal injuries to others. He should not go unpunished for this.

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Re: Why so many? luagha November 25 2014, 18:00:38 UTC
Sadly, freedom of speech saves him from any prosecution on that account.

His testimony to the police might be gotten on some kind of perjury charge but that's rare to try to bother with and only used in perjury traps and the like.

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Re: Why so many? marmoe November 25 2014, 14:33:08 UTC
the ringleaders popped into jail
That presupposes that there were ringleaders in the first place.

Are you seriously going to argue that a policeman in your country wouldn't shoot a much larger and more muscular man who was resisting arrest by physically assaulting the police officer? They shoot over here, as well. For the legs, if possible. As I said before, statistics are different over here; with about 10 people killed per year, the total number of shots fired at persons is somewhere around 50. Policemen are also trained to not get into this 2-on-1 scenario in the first place, but to wait for reinforcement, unless there is an imminent threat to life or body of somebody (including the officers). You know, the good old "when you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck" thing. If Wilson had waited just 2 minutes after being cursed at (90 seconds of the incident plus a few more for his colleagues to arrive) it would have been two on two or better odds. Where was the urgency in the situation to confront Johnson and Brown that ( ... )

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Re: Why so many? jordan179 November 25 2014, 15:29:25 UTC
That presupposes that there were ringleaders in the first place.

Do you honestly believe that a campaign of rioting lasting for months is spontaneous? As in most rioting, there are certain hardcore troublemakers who do most of the damage; these can be identified and arrested. They are in any case committing multiple violent felonies. There is only a limited supply of such individuals, and if they can be kept in jail long enough their absence will allow the riots to peter out.

They shoot over here, as well. For the legs, if possible.

In the land of reality, that's not as easy as you make it sound. Specifically, against assailants who have closed to attack, attempting to take trick shots at the legs is a very dangerous strategy.

The easiest way to stop an assailant is to shoot for center-of-mass -- this means that if one hits one hits the heart-lungs area, and if one misses by recoil rising the barrel, one hits the head. Hits to the center of mass or head stop an assailant quickly. Aiming for the legs can produce very low- ( ... )

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